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Suscipe Domine Again
« on: June 06, 2018, 01:58:08 PM »
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  • Hello everyone. I wanted to talk about the other forum, Suscipe Domine. For the past year I have been posting there more than here. But I never stopped reading this forum. For a while I was upset over all of the flat-earth discussions and was tired of sedevacantism debates on Cathinfo so I started posting more at Suscipe Domine than here. Members come and go between the forums. I see Jayne used to post more on SD but now she posts more here. I have seen Stubborn post both here then there. And Cantarella has posted on both forums. Greg used to post here and debate Telesphorus but he was banned years ago. Now he is one of SD's most prominent posters. I am sure there are many others. At first I thought SD was too liberal, but in posting there I have found it is a mixed bag, though generally more liberal than Cathinfo. As far as moderators go, I prefer Matthew to Kaesekopf. I prefer the beliefs about conspiracies on Cathinfo (except for flat-earth and Michelle Obama is really a man) and I prefer the Cathinfo stance on the Jewish question. About the resistance versus the SSPX, I still attend my SSPX chapel. There is supposedly a resistance Mass available sometime two hours away, but it is secretive and the Mass is not public and I have no one to drive me that far. I am not against the resistance but I have not given up on the SPPX either, perhaps out of necessity. I think there is a general consensus on SD that most of us over here at Cathinfo are nutters. I have never been among this crowd as I am A "Hero Member" with over 5 thousand posts here and only a "Vizekorporal" with a little over 2 hundred posts there. I have found my time there pleasant. But I think I am on the right wing of the forum there while here I am more in the middle.

    There are some good members there. I recommend Maximilian who I wish would post more. He is a veteran traditional Catholic forum poster going back well over a decade. He used to post on different forums that closed down like Ignis Ardens. I don't know if he ever posted on Cathinfo. But he has interesting ideas. He seems sympathetic to the Old Catholics and does not believe in Papal Infallibility and is sympathetic to the Jansenists. I like him even though he has unique ideas and he was once described on this forum as the best traditional Catholic poster on the internet. Michael Wilson is a nice Sedevacantist who posts there. I liked christulsa who has a blog I liked but he is taking a year-long hiatus from posting there. There are other good posters as well. But my favorite poster is named Pon de Replay. He does not like the pop song that shares his user-name but he took it as a joke and despises the song. He is my favorite poster on any of the forums and I always look forward to seeing his posts and sending him private messages and reading his blog where he posts his fiction. Sometimes I only go to the forum to talk with Pon de Replay and hope to see his new posts. But he apostatized! He is no longer a Christian of any kind. He used to be fond of the Church Fathers but now he does not believe. But I still love him. I started praying for him every day when I learned he was no longer a Christian. There are other posters as well. But those are my favorites.

    But now I may start posting here more. I am a little weary of SD and of forums in general as I have been on them for eight years, but I like the ability to speak to other traditional Catholics so I plan on continuing talking on them for now at least. I have been writing on my private blogs but I am always afraid of sharing my blogs with other people. I may make one of my blogs invitation only and let some of my friends read it, but I am afraid of sharing. But as for SD it is worth looking at even if only for Pon and Max. Those are my thoughts on SD.
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    Re: Suscipe Domine Again
    « Reply #1 on: June 06, 2018, 02:22:39 PM »
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  • I too am in a stage of feeling weary of forums.  I have been seriously contemplating dropping out completely, although I have not figured out how to do it. 

    I agree about Maximilian and Michael Wilson being excellent posters.


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    Re: Suscipe Domine Again
    « Reply #2 on: June 06, 2018, 02:24:01 PM »
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  • To be a good Traditional Catholic you have to be willing to be called a "nutter". Or else you end up like the neo-SSPX, striving to appear mainstream, worldly, sane by the world's standards, etc.

    Either you believe the Church was infiltrated by Freemasons (a conspiracy, and a secret society) or not. If you don't believe such, you will end up Conservative Novus Ordo at best, but not Traditional Catholic.

    Traditional Catholics believe in being apart from the world, considered strange/backwards/dinosaur/nutter/etc. and consider it a badge of honor and orthodoxy.

    Let's face it: not only our liturgical sensibilities (Mass in Latin), but also our practices of piety, our morality (large families? homeschooling?), our dress, our priorities, and many other things set us apart from the World, whether we like it or not. Being Traditional Catholic is not very PC. We generally expect our women to stay home (give up any "hope" of a "career") and raise our many children. Do you think the World is ever going to respect that?

    And that's not all: the gulf between Catholic sanity and The Modern World is getting wider, not narrower. Lately they've developed the gender spectrum and in Canada they require professors to use each student's "preferred pronoun" even if that pronoun is an artificial, made-up word!

    Better to embrace the term "nutter" -- get it over with -- and more easily save your soul, I say. Sloughing off the shackles of Political Correctness and Worldly Esteem is quite liberating. The Modern World is against Christ and controlled by Talmudic Jews and Freemasons anyhow, so I want no part with it. The World loves abortion (infanticide) for crying out loud! Just listen to "The World"'s reaction to the recent Irish referendum approving abortion. Young ladies cheering like they won $50,000. Because now little babies can be legally killed right here in Ireland! Like I said: stop, World, I want to get off.

    I could go on for paragraphs for what The World wants for you and I. Sexual license, marrying late, birth control, having 2 kids, a 30 year mortgage, put lots of time (both husband AND wife) into career and money, send kids to public school (and a connecting series of camps every Summer), a divorce or two, fulfill your bucket list, and then end up in Hell for eternity.

    No thanks! I spit on that course of action. Perhaps some other things as well, but I'll leave it at "spit".



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    Re: Suscipe Domine Again
    « Reply #3 on: June 06, 2018, 02:31:13 PM »
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  • To be a good Traditional Catholic you have to be willing to be called a "nutter". Or else you end up like the neo-SSPX, striving to appear mainstream, worldly, sane by the world's standards, etc.

    Better to embrace the term "nutter" -- get it over with -- and more easily save your soul, I say. Sloughing off the shackles of Political Correctness and Worldly Esteem is quite liberating.
    Yes. I agree with this. I embraced the term "nutter" myself the first time I heard Greg call Telesphorus that. Or perhaps it was SSS. Actually I forget who Greg called "nutter", but when he did I was like "Yes. I am a nutter too." Greg does have a way with words.
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    Re: Suscipe Domine Again
    « Reply #4 on: June 06, 2018, 02:43:08 PM »
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  • The world is what's insane.  Traditional Catholicism is the last stronghold of reason.


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    Re: Suscipe Domine Again
    « Reply #5 on: June 06, 2018, 03:40:19 PM »
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  • The way of thinking and discussions on this forum are far better than those on forums like CAF and FishEaters. No better place for Trads to discourse  on the net right now.  This place does tend to be fairly alarmist when it comes to  the SSPX, but that's to be expected( as this is a forum of the Resistance ) 
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    Re: Suscipe Domine Again
    « Reply #6 on: June 06, 2018, 04:13:34 PM »
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  • Ggreg's the nutter. He's a Steve Sailer'esque type. They're a dime a dozen, if you have any familiarity with the kosher TakiMag/Unz crowd, bombarding you with minutiae and side-tracking tactics. He wrote an idiotic article for DailyCatholic on the one-year anniversary of 9/11 trying to manipulate trads into going into the Middle East for the Jews. It says all you need to know about SD that he's the most popular member over there.

    This forum has gone downhill a bit in terms of quality of participants, but it's still the best trad Catholic forum I've come across. And it's been the best since it was started by Matthew after he'd been banned (or left, I forget which) by VoxClamantis. i had high hopes for the first ABLF forum, but it got really weird over there with DawnMarie and her gang.

    There's been a drain of interesting members here. You used to have people like like Telesphorus, claudel, Raoul (as nutty as he was at times), columba, spouseofjesus, gladius veritatis, PilgrimageofGrace (who mainly posted on IgnisArdens), ServusSpiritus (who I haven't heard about since he abandoned the first ABLF forum), belloc, stevusmagnus, caminus, btnyc, graham, sedetrad, perejoseph, Charlemagne, Iuvenalis, partyisover221, Ethelred,  Mark79, JohnGrey, and many other quality members who weren't as prolific.

    There must be some change in the zeitgeist to account for the bulk of these people no longer being here. I've read Graham on SuscipeDomine say that he's put off by the proliferation of flat-earthers.

    PonDeReplay was Gilgamesh over on Fisheaters. He's always been interesting to read, but he's a bit of an actor like VetusOrdo. I never thought he was a believer.


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    Re: Suscipe Domine Again
    « Reply #7 on: June 06, 2018, 04:48:23 PM »
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    This is a first for me, seeing this announced. I suspect I wouldn't hear a priest say this from the pulpit:
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    Either you believe the Church was infiltrated by Freemasons (a conspiracy, and a secret society) or not.
    If you don't believe such, you will end up Conservative Novus Ordo at best, but not Traditional Catholic.
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    This implies that to be a Traditional Catholic you are first of all required to find out what it means to be a Freemason.
    Otherwise, "believing the Church was infiltrated by Freemasons" wouldn't have any foundation.
    IOW to believe such a thing without comprehension of the term would mean you don't know what you believe.
    Can you imagine being a patriotic American without having any knowledge of world history?
    Or having a job as an airline navigator while believing the earth is "flat?" -- Maybe that's a bad example!
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    Merely reducing it to, "I believe the Church has been invaded by a conspiracy, a secret society," is insufficient, IMHO.
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    I know fairly solid Traditional Catholics who don't know much about Freemasonry and avoid finding out about them.
    Does that mean they're going to lose their faith some day? Or that their Traditionalism is some kind of facade or game?
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    As an aside, it would be refreshing for a change to see CI posts focusing on issues rather than on persons or perceived character of persons. It would be nice to see certain members leaving behind the bad habit of turning every conversation they touch into an exercise in talebearing.
     
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    Re: Suscipe Domine Again
    « Reply #8 on: June 06, 2018, 04:50:13 PM »
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  • There's been a drain of interesting members here. You used to have people like like Telesphorus, claudel, Raoul (as nutty as he was at times), columba, spouseofjesus, gladius veritatis, PilgrimageofGrace (who mainly posted on IgnisArdens), ServusSpiritus (who I haven't heard about since he abandoned the first ABLF forum), belloc, stevusmagnus, caminus, btnyc, graham, sedetrad, perejoseph, Charlemagne, Iuvenalis, partyisover221, Ethelred,  Mark79, JohnGrey, and many other quality members who weren't as prolific.

    There must be some change in the zeitgeist to account for the bulk of these people no longer being here. I've read Graham on SuscipeDomine say that he's put off by the proliferation of flat-earthers.

    1. Most of those people stopped posting for their own personal reasons. Most of those members you listed were not banned -- you can look each of them up if you want.

    2. CathInfo is basically a microcosm of the Trad movement. The things you hate about Trads you're going to find on CI. The things you love about Trads you'll find on CI as well. Trads fail in charity, apostatize, go off the deep end, join personality cults or actual cults, have personal problems, leave for the Novus Ordo, etc. all the time -- so it stands to reason that CathInfo would experience that with some of its members. I know of several CI members who went back to the Novus Ordo, after experiencing the full package of Catholic Tradition for months or years. (That one reallly blows my mind.)

    Ethelred jumped ship on his own because he stayed a bit too long on the Pfeiffer train. When I started defending +Williamson and +Zendejas from the lies coming from Boston, KY back in Nov 2014, that necessarily involved a falling-out with Fr. Pfeiffer and all those who insisted on supporting him. I think around a dozen Pfeifferites/Pablo supporters were banned at the time.

    3. CathInfo is also nothing more/less than A) the moderator and his rules and B) the members who come and go almost constantly. So the subtotal of "what is CathInfo" changes from year to year because of B). When member X and Y leave, all the threads they loved and topics they obsessed about are going to take a lower place. The whole tenor of the forum might change, just with the advent of one or two members, or the departure of one or two members.

    Like the Texas weather, "If you don't like CathInfo today, come back in a month or two and it will be different." (with the Texas weather, it's more like an hour or two)
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    Re: Suscipe Domine Again
    « Reply #9 on: June 06, 2018, 04:51:54 PM »
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    Does that mean they're going to lose their faith some day? Or that their Traditionalism is some kind of facade or game?
    It means their Traditional status, or their resistance to Vatican II, is on shaky footing.
    Eventually the allure of the 2000 year old Roman Catholic Church, its impressive buildings, its Papacy, and the Catholic virtue of Obedience will get them.

    I've heard many people say that when you visit Rome, seeing all the large impressive churches it is very tempting to give up your Trad card and "come back home" to the Catholic Church.
    Many have done so after a trip to Rome.
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    Re: Suscipe Domine Again
    « Reply #10 on: June 06, 2018, 04:56:25 PM »
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  •  I have been seriously contemplating dropping out completely, although I have not figured out how to do it.  
    Cold turkey.


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    Re: Suscipe Domine Again
    « Reply #11 on: June 06, 2018, 05:00:31 PM »
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  • Cold turkey.
    Check into a detox center first; they can administer drugs to deal with the withdrawal symptoms.

    I would also recommend joining a 12-step support group afterwards.
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    Re: Suscipe Domine Again
    « Reply #12 on: June 06, 2018, 05:17:10 PM »
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  • It means their Traditional status, or their resistance to Vatican II, is on shaky footing.
    Eventually the allure of the 2000 year old Roman Catholic Church, its impressive buildings, its Papacy, and the Catholic virtue of Obedience will get them.

    I've heard many people say that when you visit Rome, seeing all the large impressive churches it is very tempting to give up your Trad card and "come back home" to the Catholic Church.
    Many have done so after a trip to Rome.
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    Thanks for the clarification. I'm beginning to see what you mean better here. I know several Catholics who took trips to Rome or Medjugorje or Jerusalem, and came back convinced they had a life-changing experience. And it wasn't toward Traditional Catholicism! 
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    Perhaps this is related, I don't know, but I had a very interesting encounter with a present-day architect who had nothing but contempt for traditional designs; when I asked him about certain specific details and grand concepts prevalent in St. Peter's Basilica, he told me that's exactly what he despises and has an abiding distaste for and wants nothing to do with it. He told me that an architectural style that attempts to convey the greatness of God and man's reliance on His grandeur is the worst thing any architect could do to a public building. So that whole principle of being "converted" to Newchurch was entirely lost on him. 
    Maybe you could say it's not a "magic bullet" kind of thing. Might ricochet. 
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    Re: Suscipe Domine Again
    « Reply #13 on: June 06, 2018, 06:29:40 PM »
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  • This forum has gone downhill a bit in terms of quality of participants, but it's still the best trad Catholic forum I've come across. And it's been the best since it was started by Matthew after he'd been banned (or left, I forget which) by VoxClamantis. i had high hopes for the first ABLF forum, but it got really weird over there with DawnMarie and her gang.

    There's been a drain of interesting members here. You used to have people like like Telesphorus, claudel, Raoul (as nutty as he was at times), columba, spouseofjesus, gladius veritatis, PilgrimageofGrace (who mainly posted on IgnisArdens), ServusSpiritus (who I haven't heard about since he abandoned the first ABLF forum), belloc, stevusmagnus, caminus, btnyc, graham, sedetrad, perejoseph, Charlemagne, Iuvenalis, partyisover221, Ethelred,  Mark79, JohnGrey, and many other quality members who weren't as prolific.

    There must be some change in the zeitgeist to account for the bulk of these people no longer being here. I've read Graham on SuscipeDomine say that he's put off by the proliferation of flat-earthers.

    PonDeReplay was Gilgamesh over on Fisheaters. He's always been interesting to read, but he's a bit of an actor like VetusOrdo. I never thought he was a believer.
    I think this forum has gone somewhat downhill as well. Everyone has their own golden age. I would guess Matthew's golden age was from 2006 until 2009 when the forum was new. But when I first discovered the forum in like 2008 or 2009 I was shocked by it and was put off because I was new to traditional Catholicism and had not digested it all yet. It was too extreme for me back then. But I came back and joined in 2010 and I thought it was the best forum I knew of. My golden age was from 2010 when I first joined until the first ABL forum started and everyone left to post there. One of the reasons I moved over to SD was because I missed a lot of the old posters here and I wanted to graze on new pastures. I miss many of the people you mentioned. Raoul76 was my favorite poster ever on this forum even though he thought I was an infiltrator, though I said once Ladislaus was my favorite poster. I also missed CM who was not on your list but he was a nutter. And I liked many of the dogmatic sedevacantist feeneyite true-saints puritan posters who would join and get banned quickly. And there are others I am sure I don't remember. The one poster I do not miss is Classicom. As far as Pon or Gilgamesh being an actor. I never knew him when he was a believer. I know he said that during his time when he claimed to be a believer the one sin he would always confess was doubting the faith. So I guess it is possible he never believed. But if he is an actor he is a good one because he fooled me as I think he is genuine, though of course you may be right. I like his style and his interests in literature art music vegetarianism Jansenism and the Church Fathers.

    As far as the other forums go I did not know Angelqueen very well but I got upset when someone there was trying to argue that Jews did not need to convert to be saved, I never posted on Fisheaters or even lurked there, and know nothing of Ignis Ardens, and thought SD was alright though not as good as I remember Cathinfo during the golden age. I liked ABL 1 and was sad when it disappeared, but was not happy with its replacements. I never followed the Pfeifferite forums. And As far as Mith's forums go, I was not a big fan of them though I did post on the current one. Strangely enough even though they are sedevacantist I thought it was more liberal than Cathinfo, not less, which seems strange because of its sedevacantism, but it was an acceptable forum except for the fact that there is very little traffic. The reason I stopped posting there was because I got into an argument with one of the sedevacantists and she said "good riddance!" to me and I thought that was my cue to go so I went and stop posting there though I do check in sometime.

    So I miss many of the old faces and I have been here a long time. Eight years. I hear Eamon Shea is married to a beautiful woman now. I don't know about the rest of them. I wish them all well, especially Spouse of Jesus.

    I don't agree with Greg a lot, though I do enjoy him. He is a guilty pleasure. It is a sign of the relative liberalism of SD that he is on the right of that forum. I just got upset at him today and kind of insulted him on a thread on SD.
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    Re: Suscipe Domine Again
    « Reply #14 on: June 06, 2018, 06:36:14 PM »
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  • I also missed CM who was not on your list but he was a nutter. And I liked many of the dogmatic sedevacantist feeneyite true-saints puritan posters who would join and get banned quickly. And there are others I am sure I don't remember. The one poster I do not miss is Classicom.

    You have some strange taste. CM (which stands for Catholic Martyr, BTW) thought he was one of a handful of true Catholics left on earth -- the only other family he knew of was fkpagnanelli who JUST SO HAPPENED to have a young, single daughter he wanted to give to CM, since they were both on the same page on religion. It was just those two versus the whole world though!

    And you want to talk to Puritans who are basically heretics, dogmatic sedevacantists who say you are going to hell unless you believe a new dogma ("the See is vacant")? I guess there is no arguing with taste...

    Most people would complain if I *let* such types stay on CathInfo. I guess this is another case of "you can't please everyone".
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