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Offline Nadir

Re: PG banned for Schism and or Heresy
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2018, 10:38:41 PM »
Quote from: elliseliz on June 03, 2018, 10:18:52 PM
Is it acceptable to argue with saints' opinions while not doubting that they are saints? For example, taking Scotus' side over Aquinas' in the Immaculate Conception debate prior to the 1854 official dogma?

EDIT: This is a general question; no comment on the ban of a user I never met.
Welcome, Elliseliz.
 
Duns Scotus was obviously wrong, since the Immaculate Conception is declared a dogma of the faith. So if you are arguing on the side of Duns Scotus you would not only be wrong but a heretic, as the Church has declared on it, while Duns Scotus was wrong but not a heretic because he accepted the Church's decision.

So if you agreed with Scotus before 1854, you're in the clear, but not after 1854.

Saints are not infallible, but the Church teachings are.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: PG banned for Schism and or Heresy
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2018, 11:00:00 PM »
Scotus actually had it right on the Immaculate Conception and St. Thomas was a bit off the mark.

Preference is most certainly allowed.  That's why the Church has approved so many religious orders.  People are different and one size doesn't fit all. 

But this isn't about that ... but about contempt for St. Thomas.

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Offline Hermenegild

Re: PG banned for Schism and or Heresy
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2018, 08:53:10 PM »
Quote from: Matthew on June 03, 2018, 01:33:17 PM
 Traditional Catholicism started in the 1960's, not before.

Is it okay to state that the enemies were burrowing in long before the 1960s?
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Offline JezusDeKoning

Re: PG banned for Schism and or Heresy
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2018, 09:45:43 PM »
Quote from: Hermenegild on June 04, 2018, 08:53:10 PM
Is it okay to state that the enemies were burrowing in long before the 1960s?
I would hope so. Crisises do not start overnight, usually, but only after years of burrowing and brooding and things done. The alcoholic who dies of alcohol-induced cirrhosis did not start that downward spiral last week, to use an example.

There were things in the works to subvert the liturgy, if I remember, as early as the '20s in some places. St. John's University in rural central Minnesota (a theological cesspool, by the way, and that is being incredibly generous), some places in France and Germany. There are pictures of experimenting American parishes on the internet. I've seen about 2 or 3 somewhere.
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Offline Mithrandylan

Re: PG banned for Schism and or Heresy
« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2018, 11:06:51 AM »
Only just saw this.

Good for you, Matthew!

PG was rotten.  It was fairly clear that the bad ideas he had were ideas that he was committed to.  He wasn't floating them out there-- like, "hey, what do you guys think about [whatever saint's] ideas about x... that doesn't sound right to me, how should we understand this?"  No, he'd already made up his mind that he knew better than them, and probably quite a long time ago.  Sad.
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