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New Guy, Old Trads
« Reply #25 on: August 05, 2015, 10:05:23 PM »
Quote from: Cosmos
I note a lot of reference material is recommended. What's the general feeling on this site in regards to the caveats of Nihil Obstat?  

Thanks.



The lack of it in the hijacked-Rome era (post-Oct 1958) doesn't cause me to automatically discount material.

New Guy, Old Trads
« Reply #26 on: August 05, 2015, 10:17:20 PM »
Quote from: Capt McQuigg
Welcome aboard, Cosmos.

You were in your early 20's when Vatican II took place.  What was the general attitude of your fellow parishioners when the Mass was changed?  

How old were you when your parish started using Communion in the Hand?

How did you discover the FSSP?



Observably it was very subtle. I just did what I was told as regards to anything about my religion. To understand why, you need to live through the "Angela's Ashes" days of the early 50's. There was none of this liberal permissive free thinking that there is now.

My first in-hand I recall, but it wasn't significant to me. When the changes were fed to us peacemeal, it would be hard to read that has a premonition of disaster. Again, I guess some would say that it and other changes were a part of the grand conspiracy, and perhaps that is true.  Back in the 70's I recall someone questioned the facing the congregation altar, and it was then that I felt the first indicators something was wrong as I agreed to the reasoning that we should face God, and He should not see our backs. Maybe wrong is not the word, but it was not UNLIKE the protestant churches I attended a few times. (An explaination. In the military of 1963 Germany, 30Inf 3rd Div, schedules for worship were not that dependable, and sometimes I felt it was OK to drop in on a protestant ritual at the same building when I couldn't attend a Mass. It was all of general interest to me, and being staunchly Catholic, it was more entertaining than influencing. There was never in my life where I did not believe we were members of the True Church.  

About 4 years ago I joined the ofs in the city 80 miles away. Arriving in town early for the meeting, I had time for a mass and found myself in a traditional mass.  That's when I had my most pleasant re-discovery. Never looked back.

Ecuмeni-what? was the next negative in my view, as it smacked of a love wish with being protestant, not a gradual introduction to Catholicism as it should be. A lot of bargaining with majority protestant churches and close calls had me nervous. Concessions were a great worry. But there is bases in my suspicion. I felt it betrayed the mothers of Catholic children for 2000 years who sought to bring their children in the front door of learning. To ensure they were baptized Catholic and taught catechism. They had to convey a trust to Christ first as every Baptizm is. These moms ensured they were brought up in a domestic environment that actually lived the Church. No, it sounded to me too much of presenting a silver platter with no show of qualification or effort. Sort of like a RCIA en-masse, a wave of a wand and 4 million Catholics are baptized.  

Back then we children would correct each other. We would state it when we sinned. We were seriously concerned if we missed confession. We would take great pleasure to hide behind the bushes to watch the well dressed Jehova Witness reps get dispatched with a straw broom by a stern Mom when the door of the Catholic home was opened. No sir, you wanted to become member of the Catholic church, there were no ticket scalpers to count on. If you tried to persuade us, good luck. Everyone came in the same door to my Church.


New Guy, Old Trads
« Reply #27 on: August 05, 2015, 10:49:13 PM »
Quote from: Lighthouse
Good to see you back, Cosmos.

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All my evidence points to the Latin Mass "plowing" it's way through the protestant ritual.


What part of this world, or which extraterrestrial planet do you come from?

Unless you are in China or Australia, it's high time to get out of your pajamas.

 :laugh1:


You and my wife must be co-conspirators.  :roll-laugh2:

New Guy, Old Trads
« Reply #28 on: August 06, 2015, 12:47:58 AM »
Quote from: Cosmos


I have read all of Archbishop Lefebvre's papers to the community, and the story of the insurgent activity in the Vatican, such as the Masonic infiltration and such. I'm not sure if all that is true. Is there any citation of the validity of this, even from neutral upper ecclesial echelon.? If true, there should be some.


What does this - neutral upper ecclesial echelon - mean? Just who did you have in mind.

You didn't respond to my earlier comment, or are you reading http://padrepioandchiesaviva.com/Padre_Pio___Fr.html

If you are expecting popes to confirm Masonic infiltration you might wait a while. Here is an except from the link above;

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Almost sixty years ago, “Padre Pio first met Father Luigi Villa, whom he entreated to devote his entire life to fight Ecclesiastical Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ. Padre Pio told Father Villa that Our Lord had designs upon him and had chosen him to be educated and trained to fight Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ within the Church. The Saint spelled out this task in three meetings with Father Villa, which took place in the last fifteen years of life of Padre Pio. At the close of the second meeting [second half of 1963], Padre Pio embraced Father Villa three times, saying to him: ‘Be brave, now…for the Church has already been invaded by Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ!’ and then stated: ‘Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ has already made it into the loafers (shoes) of the Pope!’ At the time, the reigning Pope was Paul VI.
 


Would what Saint (Padre) Pio had to say, and the seven assassination attempts on the life of Fr Villa convince you? Pope Leo XIII also had something to say about it, and not for no reason. Humanum genus http://w2.vatican.va/content/leo-xiii/en/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_l-xiii_enc_18840420_humanum-genus.html

New Guy, Old Trads
« Reply #29 on: August 06, 2015, 01:48:19 AM »
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Quote from: Cosmos


I have read all of Archbishop Lefebvre's papers to the community, and the story of the insurgent activity in the Vatican, such as the Masonic infiltration and such. I'm not sure if all that is true. Is there any citation of the validity of this, even from neutral upper ecclesial echelon.? If true, there should be some.


. . .

If you are expecting popes to confirm Masonic infiltration you might wait a while.

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Excellent point!  The essence of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ is secrecy.  Then couple that with their power and further insulated by the power of the Church after infiltrating and controlling the trappings thereof.  We're lucky to have gotten the nuggets of indications that we have.