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New Guy, Old Trads
« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2015, 02:44:43 PM »
Good to see you back, Cosmos.

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All my evidence points to the Latin Mass "plowing" it's way through the protestant ritual.


What part of this world, or which extraterrestrial planet do you come from?

Unless you are in China or Australia, it's high time to get out of your pajamas.

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New Guy, Old Trads
« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2015, 03:10:17 PM »
Welcome aboard, Cosmos.

You were in your early 20's when Vatican II took place.  What was the general attitude of your fellow parishioners when the Mass was changed?  

How old were you when your parish started using Communion in the Hand?

How did you discover the FSSP?



New Guy, Old Trads
« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2015, 05:04:56 PM »
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I came here with the naïve idea that Pope Benedict's motu had set the world straight (or at least firmly upon the right path).  I definitely no longer believe that.


Nor do I.

Another good book - particularly one for reading Summorum Pontificuм in a very illuminating context - would be The Reform of the Roman Liturgy by Msgr. Klaus Gamber. Cardinal Ratzinger wrote the introduction to the French version of the book. That introduction is the source of Ratzinger / Benedict's famous quote describing the Novus Ordo as a "banal, on-the-spot fabrication." The future (now former) pope also went on in that introduction to call Msgr Gamber (I'm paraphrasing) the best representative of the "center" of the Church's liturgical thinking, and he more or less openly endorsed the solution to the liturgical crisis laid out in that book.

That solution, briefly put, was to restore the TLM, and establish it as the official Roman Liturgical Rite. The Novus Ordo would be re-branded as an "Ad Experimentum" Rite; it would be permitted to exist for a limited timeframe (soemthing like 10 years) and would be offered no more than once a day in any given parish, and never offered instead of the TLM. If, at the end of that timeframe, the "experimental" rite had not brought forth good fruits (which, of course, it has not and would not), it would be abrogated and the TLM would remain what St. Pius V declared it to be in perpetuity - the one and only official Roman Rite of Mass. Most importantly, the two Rites would be established as two separate, distinct and totally different Rites (which they objectively are).

Well, despite endorsing that plan in word, Benedict XVI brought about something far different in deed. Summorum Pontificuм, in yet another postconciliar violation of the Law of Non-Contradiction, declared that the TLM and the NO are not separate and distinct rites, but merely different "forms" of the same Roman Rite (by which logic, we'd have to declare all other Rites - Mozarabic, Byzantine, Coptic, Syriac, all of which are far more similar to the TLM than the NO is - to merely be various "forms" of the one Rite - utter absdurdity). Worse, it establishes the NO as the "Ordinary Form" and the TLM as the "Extraordinary Form." Worse still, it actually relegates the Traditional Latin Mass - the Mass of Ages - to the ignominious position of being merely "an" (not "the") "extraordinary form" of the Roman Rite (one wonders - what are the other "extraordinary forms" of the Rite?). It also goes out of its way to insist that the TLM should be provided merely as a "pastoral" favor to those weak souls "attached" to, or who "prefer" that Mass that Quo Primum defined as the one and only Rite of Mass for the Roman Church, in perpetuity, under pain of sin and the Wrath of Almighty God and Saints Peter and Paul - and not because the Novus Ordo is an objectively inferior, "banal, on-the-spot fabrication" (to quote the pope who promulgated Summorum Pontificuм), and therefore an abomination that can never replace the TLM.

But the era of Benedict XVI's weak, milquetoast, compromised overtures to Tradition is now over, replaced by the current infelicitous reign of Bergoglio, who has opted for a campaign of open hostility and antipathy for the Traditional Latin Mass, and even the Catholic Faith and Morality itself. In an era when Catholics who merely wish to pray and live as Catholics always have are openly derided and slandered by the Occupant of the Papal Throne as "Rosary Counters" and "Promethean neo-Pelagians," and when the very Natural Law itself is being put up for debate at two putative "Synods" called by the pope and engineered by his Modernist cronies, one would have to be looking at the world through some seriously vision-imparing rose-colored glasses to think that the great Restoration of Catholic Tradition lies anywhere at all in the near future.

New Guy, Old Trads
« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2015, 05:33:01 PM »
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I have read all of Archbishop Lefebvre's papers to the community, and the story of the insurgent activity in the Vatican, such as the Masonic infiltration and such. I'm not sure if all that is true.


I knew this thread was a goer when I read the OP!
Cosmos, you sound like an real optimist, but it doesn't sound real to me. You would do well to read this as well.

http://padrepioandchiesaviva.com/Padre_Pio___Fr.html

New Guy, Old Trads
« Reply #24 on: August 05, 2015, 09:26:32 PM »
I note a lot of reference material is recommended. What's the general feeling on this site in regards to the caveats of Nihil Obstat?  

Thanks.