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Offline Augustinus21

Re: Feeneyism Destroyed
« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2019, 11:29:56 AM »
Quote from: forlorn on August 10, 2019, 11:19:37 AM
All it has to be able to do is speak and pour some water on the convert's head.
An angel can’t pour water. If this were possible we would’ve seen it
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Offline forlorn

Re: Feeneyism Destroyed
« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2019, 11:30:29 AM »
Quote from: Augustinus21 on August 10, 2019, 11:29:56 AM
An angel can’t pour water. If this were possible we would’ve seen it
Have you seen an angel convert someone either? I haven't. 
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Offline trad123

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Re: Feeneyism Destroyed
« Reply #27 on: August 10, 2019, 11:33:11 AM »
Quote from: forlorn on August 10, 2019, 11:17:01 AM
The distinction you're missing is that we should not comment on whether or not INDIVIDUALS are damned, but Fr. Feeney didn't do that. He never said "Abdul Ibn Whatever specifically is damned", he said "Non-Catholics are damned." The former is wrong(but Fr. Feeney never did it), the latter we are REQUIRED to do by order of Pope St. Pius X.

I was about to post that.

It's not registering to him that there is a change from adhering to a non-Catholic sect to now adhering to the Catholic faith.

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Q. Is it then right for us to say that one who was not received into the Church before his death, is damned?

The point being made is that we don't know if someone had a conversion at the hour of death. CONVERSION. Augustinus21, you're so focused on Baptism of Desire that you're missing the necessity of the Catholic faith. Fr. Mueller's position is akin to Baptism of Desire for catechumens.
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Offline Augustinus21

Re: Feeneyism Destroyed
« Reply #28 on: August 10, 2019, 11:36:19 AM »
Quote from: forlorn on August 10, 2019, 11:24:32 AM
What's that got to do with what I said? You accused Fr. Feeney of arrogance for saying infidels are damned, I showed you proof that we are in fact REQUIRED to testify that infidels are damned.
If what you’re saying is that infidels  who die infidels are damned, then there’s no disagreement here. All I’m saying is that a naturally virtuous infidel will receive a chance to accept the Faith from God at the moment of death. If he accepts the Faith, he will certainly be saved, even without water Baptism. Fr. Feeney would disagree with that 
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Offline Incredulous

Re: Feeneyism Destroyed
« Reply #29 on: August 10, 2019, 11:36:25 AM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on August 10, 2019, 07:12:31 AM
https://novusordowatch.org/2019/04/father-leonard-feeney-justification-salvation/

Justification and Salvation: What did Fr. Leonard Feeney teach?
April 24, 2019



Sean,

You are so mischievous.  



You know this topic is verboten under Cathinfo's open categories.

It is to be placed in the "Father Feeney Ghetto" category Matthew so graciously made for us.

Why, if you don't remove it, I'll counter you with a fusillade of evidence on +ABL's theology of four Baptisms, which supports Karl Rahner's heresy of universal salvation.

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