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Offline ubipetrus

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Re: CathInfo forbids calling R&R a heresy
« Reply #165 on: June 08, 2018, 01:48:57 PM »
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  • While I take exception to your shot at Father Feeney (let's leave that completely aside)...
    Actually, earlier this thread you did bring up an interesting point about varieties of "R & R" which, although I don't see "thousands" of varieties thereof, there are certainly some limited range of variations, for example that which sets apart Bp. Williamson from the rest of the SSPX (which I find difficult to distinguish, apart from his being more "hard line" - or the SSPX now being more "soft line" - than the other, a difference more of emphasis more than anything else).  But there is one major distinction within "R & R" which does merit some specific mention, and this is a division which first came along way back in the days when Bp. Antonio de Castro-Meyer was forced to part company with him former associate Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira and his TFP (and the Abbe de Nantes).  de Castro-Meyer and Abp. Lefebvre both saw to the hierarchical and sacramental needs for the Church into the future, while de Oliveira's group rejects all attempts to sustain them, but relying only on what few (now very few) clerics as were originally accepted before all this whole mess broke out.  The one (SSPX and SSPX-like and SSPX-sympathetic) is clerical and labors to keep the sacramental power and juridical authority of God's Church in this world while the other (anti-clericalist) is by now almost exclusively lay and has nowhere to go but a "church" of scattered and all-independent laity with no sacraments, no authority, no certainty, no leadership (except that everyone in it is their own personal leader), and no future.  Needless to say, on this "quasi-divide" I am wholeheartedly on the SSPX pro-clerical side.  We sedevacantists have had the same problem, the same "quasi-divide" between those who are (or support and assist at the Masses of) our clergy versus those who are anti-clericalist and likewise have nowhere to go but a "church" of scattered and all-independent laity with no sacraments, no authority, no certainty, no leadership (except that everyone in it is their own personal leader), and no future.  And again, I wholeheartedly support the pro-clerical side.  There can be no real ecclesial unity (in that sense of the Mark of Unity) without authority, truly held and properly exercised on the one side, and properly recognized and obeyed on the other.
    "O Jerusalem!  How often would I have gathered together your children, as the hen gathers her chickens under her wings, and you would not?" - Matthew 23:37


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    Re: CathInfo forbids calling R&R a heresy
    « Reply #166 on: June 08, 2018, 03:49:47 PM »
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  • There can be no real ecclesial unity (in that sense of the Mark of Unity) without authority, truly held and properly exercised on the one side, and properly recognized and obeyed on the other.

    Sheep are scattered because the shepherd has been struck.


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    Re: CathInfo forbids calling R&R a heresy
    « Reply #167 on: June 08, 2018, 03:52:35 PM »
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  • Ubipetrus/Griff Ruby was a Judaizer last time I checked:



    He's correct about the term perfidious Jєωs.  Some Jєωs accepted the Messiah; this is merely a reference to those who did not.  Latin root of the word means those who broke the faith.  There's no need to pray for the conversion of those who are already converted.

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    Re: CathInfo forbids calling R&R a heresy
    « Reply #168 on: June 09, 2018, 05:42:42 AM »
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  • Here's a thread I created a while back about Ubipetrus/Griff Ruby if anyone's interested. I wonder if he still believes in the h0Ɩ0h0αx.
    Some would have people believe that I'm a deceiver because I've used various handles on different Catholic forums. They only know this because I've always offered such information, unprompted. Various troll accounts on FE. Ben on SuscipeDomine. Patches on ABLF 1.0 and TeDeum. GuitarPlucker, Busillis, HatchC, and Rum on Cathinfo.

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    Re: CathInfo forbids calling R&R a heresy
    « Reply #169 on: June 09, 2018, 12:56:07 PM »
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  • Here's a thread I created a while back about Ubipetrus/Griff Ruby if anyone's interested...
    What IS it with you and Jєωs?  Why is hatred of them obviously more important to you than love of God?
    And by the way (if you don't mind me getting a little personal), what kind of "name" is "rum"?  Maybe you could have called yourself "whisky" or "vodka" or "cocaine" on this forum?  To me, it connotates the 1920's prohibition era, when "Catholics" were associated with "Democrats, Gangsters, and Demon Rum." Is that it?
    "O Jerusalem!  How often would I have gathered together your children, as the hen gathers her chickens under her wings, and you would not?" - Matthew 23:37


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    Re: CathInfo forbids calling R&R a heresy
    « Reply #170 on: June 09, 2018, 12:59:08 PM »
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  • What IS it with you and Jєωs?  Why is hatred of them obviously more important to you than love of God?
    "If one does not hate the Jєω, one does not love God."

    Actually that is a joke. I made that up, it is not a real quote. But I think someone must have said that sometime somewhere and I thought it was funny. I don't hate Jєωs but I do not trust the unconverted ones either and the whole "elder brothers" thing and no longer trying to convert them bothers me more than most of the rest of the Vatican II changes. 
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    Re: CathInfo forbids calling R&R a heresy
    « Reply #171 on: June 10, 2018, 12:39:24 PM »
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  • What IS it with you and Jєωs?  Why is hatred of them obviously more important to you than love of God?
    And by the way (if you don't mind me getting a little personal), what kind of "name" is "rum"?  Maybe you could have called yourself "whisky" or "vodka" or "cocaine" on this forum?  To me, it connotates the 1920's prohibition era, when "Catholics" were associated with "Democrats, Gangsters, and Demon Rum." Is that it?

    "Griff Ruby" makes me think of the word grifter and the Jєω Jack Ruby.

    I don't put much thought into usernames. I like El Dorado overproof rum, so perhaps I was sipping some when I chose the name.


    Some would have people believe that I'm a deceiver because I've used various handles on different Catholic forums. They only know this because I've always offered such information, unprompted. Various troll accounts on FE. Ben on SuscipeDomine. Patches on ABLF 1.0 and TeDeum. GuitarPlucker, Busillis, HatchC, and Rum on Cathinfo.

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    Re: CathInfo forbids calling R&R a heresy
    « Reply #172 on: June 10, 2018, 12:57:37 PM »
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  • It is neither man nor God who condemns unbelieving Jєωs, but they themselves. What they said at Jesus trial:

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    23 The governor said to them: Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying: Let him be crucified.

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    24 And Pilate seeing that he prevailed nothing, but that rather a tumult was made; taking water washed his hands before the people, saying: I am innocent of the blood of this just man; look you to it.

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    25 And the whole people answering, said: His blood be upon us and our children.


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    Re: CathInfo forbids calling R&R a heresy
    « Reply #173 on: June 10, 2018, 03:07:50 PM »
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  • People who aren't Judaizers or cryptos thank you when you point out error to them. They don't ignore you or get aggressive.

    This guy needs basics taught to him, and yet he postures as a teacher to traditional Catholics.

    It's a joke.
    Some would have people believe that I'm a deceiver because I've used various handles on different Catholic forums. They only know this because I've always offered such information, unprompted. Various troll accounts on FE. Ben on SuscipeDomine. Patches on ABLF 1.0 and TeDeum. GuitarPlucker, Busillis, HatchC, and Rum on Cathinfo.