Read an Interview with Matthew, the owner of CathInfo

Author Topic: Griff Ruby is Questionable on the Jews  (Read 4002 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline rum

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 730
  • Reputation: +353/-256
  • Gender: Male
Griff Ruby is Questionable on the Jews
« on: September 21, 2015, 02:15:40 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • He posts on Te Deum forum as Ubipetrus.

    He recently posted the following:

    Quote
    It also depends upon what one means by saying that they are Jewish. Some Jews persecuted Christ and even arranged for His crucifixion; other Jews followed Him. Oftentimes today, what defines a Jew is ritual circumcision by a Moyle and simple observance of the Kashrut (כַּשְרוּת Jewish Kosher Laws). Whether such an observance is to be permitted to Christians is ultimately a matter of Church discipline. In the beginning it was permitted (but could not be required), especially for the congregation under St. James in Jerusalem, and also for the various Jewish proselytes around the world who had subsequently become Christians (Colossians 2:16-17). But because of Judaizers (as commented upon in the Epistle of St. Paul to the Galatians), the Church eventually had to forbid these practices, especially outside Israel, and then universally once Israel fell to the Romans. There, things have pretty much remained ever since, but it remains within the rights of the Church to grant an exception (dispensation), for example if one member of a Jewish married couple converts to the Faith, but wishes to live in peace with his or her unconverted spouse. Granted such a dispensation, a truly Catholic wife could rightly maintain a kosher kitchen for her unconverted Jewish husband.

    Are Jews to be considered "Christ-killers"? I think that would most rightly depend upon the individual Jew. Does he agree with Caiaphas' plot to have Jesus Christ killed for blasphemy? If so, then he is rightly to be considered party to it. But many Jews do not agree with such an action, and if they do not, even for merely contemporary reasons of political correctness (e. g. "it's not right to kill someone just because you disagree with his beliefs, so Caiaphas was wrong to have Christ killed"), then I don't see how the epithet of "Christ-killer" would apply to such a Jew. He would of course still have need of saving his soul by joining the Church, but that is a separate issue. Likewise, the phrase "perfidious Jew" as heard in the Holy Friday liturgy is not meant to label all Jews perfidious, but to address those particular Jews who are perfidious as to oppose and reject their own Messiah. A Jew (by race) always remains a Jew by race, but by Faith he can be a Catholic by conversion.


    Clare, unsurprisingly, thumbed up that post, btw.

    My rebuttal (to which he didn't respond) is posted here.

    This is from page 300 of his book The Resurrection of the Catholic Church:



    Given his un-Catholic view about Jews demonstrated in the post above I wonder who he would accuse of being "anti-semitic." I doubt solely Nazis. Just to use the dubious term "anti-semitic" is problematic.

    Offline Matto

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 5395
    • Reputation: +2976/-129
    • Gender: Male
    Griff Ruby is Questionable on the Jews
    « Reply #1 on: September 21, 2015, 02:18:45 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: rum
    Given his un-Catholic view about Jews demonstrated in the post above I wonder who he would accuse of being "anti-semitic." I doubt solely Nazis. Just to use the dubious term "anti-semitic" is problematic.

    Since you both post on Te Deum, I think you should ask him if he considers Bishop Williamson to be an "anti-semite" and a "bigot." Of course I think anyone who claims to be a traditional Catholic but who uses the language of the enemies to be questionable just as I consider anyone who claims to be a traditional Catholic but believes in evolution to be questionable.
    In a Station of the Metro
    The apparition of these faces in the crowd;
    Petals on a wet, black bough.


    Offline rum

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 730
    • Reputation: +353/-256
    • Gender: Male
    Griff Ruby is Questionable on the Jews
    « Reply #2 on: September 21, 2015, 02:20:54 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: Matto
    Quote from: rum
    Given his un-Catholic view about Jews demonstrated in the post above I wonder who he would accuse of being "anti-semitic." I doubt solely Nazis. Just to use the dubious term "anti-semitic" is problematic.

    Since you both post on Te Deum, I think you should ask him if he considers Bishop Williamson to be an "anti-semite."


    Maybe I will when my ban expires.

    Offline rum

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 730
    • Reputation: +353/-256
    • Gender: Male
    Griff Ruby is Questionable on the Jews
    « Reply #3 on: September 21, 2015, 02:21:54 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: Matto
    Quote from: rum
    Given his un-Catholic view about Jews demonstrated in the post above I wonder who he would accuse of being "anti-semitic." I doubt solely Nazis. Just to use the dubious term "anti-semitic" is problematic.

    Since you both post on Te Deum, I think you should ask him if he considers Bishop Williamson to be an "anti-semite" and a "bigot." Of course I think anyone who claims to be a traditional Catholic but who uses the language of the enemies to be questionable.


    Yes, the very term is suspicious, but I might have let it go if not for his comments in that post.

    Offline Matto

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 5395
    • Reputation: +2976/-129
    • Gender: Male
    Griff Ruby is Questionable on the Jews
    « Reply #4 on: September 21, 2015, 02:22:40 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: rum
    Maybe I will when my ban expires.

    Oh you were temp banned? I didn't know. Was it because of your posts on race?
    In a Station of the Metro
    The apparition of these faces in the crowd;
    Petals on a wet, black bough.


    Offline rum

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 730
    • Reputation: +353/-256
    • Gender: Male
    Griff Ruby is Questionable on the Jews
    « Reply #5 on: September 21, 2015, 02:23:32 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: Matto
    Quote from: rum
    Maybe I will when my ban expires.

    Oh you were temp banned? I didn't know. Was it because of your posts on race?


    No it was because I insulted VoxPopulissuxx. Same reason I was temp-banned the first time.

    Offline Matto

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 5395
    • Reputation: +2976/-129
    • Gender: Male
    Griff Ruby is Questionable on the Jews
    « Reply #6 on: September 21, 2015, 02:25:02 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: rum
    Quote from: Matto
    Quote from: rum
    Maybe I will when my ban expires.

    Oh you were temp banned? I didn't know. Was it because of your posts on race?


    No it was because I insulted VoxPopulissuxx. Same reason I was temp-banned the first time.

    That's funny. I also insulted Vox but I was not banned.
    In a Station of the Metro
    The apparition of these faces in the crowd;
    Petals on a wet, black bough.

    Offline clare

    • Sr. Member
    • ****
    • Posts: 2268
    • Reputation: +886/-34
    • Gender: Female
      • h
    Griff Ruby is Questionable on the Jews
    « Reply #7 on: September 22, 2015, 03:29:44 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: rum
    Quote from: Matto
    Quote from: rum
    Given his un-Catholic view about Jews demonstrated in the post above I wonder who he would accuse of being "anti-semitic." I doubt solely Nazis. Just to use the dubious term "anti-semitic" is problematic.

    Since you both post on Te Deum, I think you should ask him if he considers Bishop Williamson to be an "anti-semite" and a "bigot." Of course I think anyone who claims to be a traditional Catholic but who uses the language of the enemies to be questionable.


    Yes, the very term is suspicious, but I might have let it go if not for his comments in that post.

    http://www.cfnews.org/Fahey-AntiSemitism.htm
    Quote
    On account of the confusion of mind prevalent among Catholics concerning the question of Anti-Semitism, a few words must be said about it.

    In the excellent review of my book The Kingship of Christ or Organized Naturalism which appeared in the Jesuit magazine, La Civilta Cattolica (Rome, March, 1947), the reviewer laid special stress on the distinction which I have been making in all my books. He wrote as follows:

    “The author wants a clear distinction to be made between hatred of the Jewish nation, which is Anti-Semitism, and opposition to the Jewish and Masonic naturalism. This opposition on the part of Catholics must be mainly positive by acknowledging, not only individually, but socially, the rights of the supernatural Kingship of Christ and His Church, and by striving politically to get these rights acknowledged by States and public life. For this indispensable undertaking ... the active and effective union of Catholics ... is absolutely necessary.”

    Space does not allow of lengthy quotations from papal documents to show that, on the one hand, the sovereign pontiffs insist that Catholics must stand unflinchingly for the integral rights of Christ the King as contained in the papal encyclicals, while, on the other hand, keeping their minds and hearts free from hatred of Our Lord’s own nation according to the flesh. On the one hand, they must battle for the rights of Christ the King and the supernatural organization of society a laid down in the encyclical Quas Primas, unequivocally proclaiming that the rejection of Our Lord Jesus Christ, the True Messias, by His own nation, and the unyielding opposition of that nation to Him, are a fundamental source of disorder and conflict in the world. On the other hand, as members of Our Lord Jesus Christ, Catholics should neither hate the members of that nation in which, through our Blessed Mother, the Lily of Israel, the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity assumed human nature, nor deny them their legitimate rights as persons.

    The supernatural elevation of mind and heart and the unshrinking fortitude that are required from members of Christ in our day can be maintained only with the aid of Him who wept over Jerusalem’s rejection of order. It will inevitably mean suffering for Christ’s faithful members as the power of the anti-supernatural forces in the world increases. Even in the midst of their suffering, however, Christ’s members must bear in mind that there will be a glorious triumph for Christ the King.

    Two reasons can be assigned for the fact that Our Lord’s faithful members will often be betrayed by those who should be on the side of Christ the King. Firstly, many Catholic writers speak of papal condemnations of Anti-Semitism without explaining the meaning of the term and never even allude to the documents which insist on the rights of Our Divine Lord, Head of the Mystical Body, Priest and King. Thus, very many are completely ignorant of the duty incumbent on all Catholics of standing positively for Our Lord’s reign in society in opposition to Jewish naturalism.

    The result is that numbers of Catholics are so ignorant of Catholic doctrine that they hurl the accusation of Anti-Semitism against those who are battling for the rights of Christ the King thus effectively aiding the enemies of Our Divine Lord. Secondly, many Catholic writers copy unquestioningly what they read in the naturalistic or anti-supernatural Press and do not distinguish between Anti-Semitism in the correct Catholic sense, as explained above, and “Anti- Semitism,” as the Jews understand it. For the Jews, “Anti-Semitism” is anything that is in opposition to the naturalistic Messianic domination of their nation over all the others. Quite logically, the leaders of the Jewish nation hold that to stand for the Rights of Christ the King is to be “Anti-Semitic.”

    The term “Anti-Semitism,” with all its war-connotation in the minds of the unthinking, is being extended to include any form of opposition to the Jewish nation’s naturalistic aims and any exposure of the methods they adopt to achieve these aims.

    At the beatification of Joan of Arc (Dec. 13, 1908), the saintly Pope Pius X said:

    “In our time more than ever before, the greatest asset of those disposed toward evil is the cowardice and weakness of good men, and all the vigor of Satan’s reign is due to the easygoing weakness of Catholics. Oh! if I might ask the Divine Redeemer, as the Prophet Zachary did in spirit (Zach. 13:6a): “What are those wounds in the midst of Thy hands?” The answer would not be doubtful: “...With these I was wounded in the house of them that loved me” (Zach. 13:6b). I was wounded by my friends, who did nothing to defend me, and who, on every occasion, made themselves the accomplices of my adversaries. And this reproach can be leveled at the weak and timid Catholics of all countries.”

                                                        - Denis Fahey, C.S.Sp.
                                                          Feast of the Sacred Heart of Jesus
                                                          June 16, 1950

     - from the book Grand Orient Freemasonry Unmasked


    See, there's anti-semitism, and there's "anti-semitism".


    Offline rum

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 730
    • Reputation: +353/-256
    • Gender: Male
    Griff Ruby is Questionable on the Jews
    « Reply #8 on: September 22, 2015, 03:50:10 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • That's why I called it a suspicious term, and not an invalid term, for the same reasons Fr. Fahey outlined. Though the term has been abused almost beyond recognition, that it might be better for Catholics to not use it at all. "Anti-Jewish" and "anti-Talmudic" seem preferable to "anti-semitism". How many people really have a racial hatred of Jews? Of all the people who are prejudiced towards Jews it's not likely even a significant minority. It's not even clear to me if those who today call themselves Jews constitute a race.

    When someone posts error about Jews, as Ruby did (and which you thumbed up), then it is fair to inquire just who he would give that designation. Judaizers and cryptos within the Church will often describe Catholics with Catholic views on the Jews as interlopers, when it is they who are the interlopers.

    Offline rum

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 730
    • Reputation: +353/-256
    • Gender: Male
    Griff Ruby is Questionable on the Jews
    « Reply #9 on: October 05, 2015, 09:27:43 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Ruby has been answering questions for AllExperts since 2001. He expresses some very odd stuff about Jews in this post from 2007: http://en.allexperts.com/q/Catholics-955/Jewish.htm

    Offline Matto

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 5395
    • Reputation: +2976/-129
    • Gender: Male
    Griff Ruby is Questionable on the Jews
    « Reply #10 on: October 05, 2015, 09:34:59 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • That is a very long post and I don't have the time to read it all right now. Could you post here some of the strange things he wrote about the Jews? Thanks. I must say that I said on Te Deum Forums that I didn't think that Griff Ruby was a Catholic, not because of his opinions about the Jews, but because of his position on evolution.
    In a Station of the Metro
    The apparition of these faces in the crowd;
    Petals on a wet, black bough.


    Offline Croix de Fer

    • Sr. Member
    • ****
    • Posts: 3219
    • Reputation: +2230/-2192
    • Gender: Male
    Griff Ruby is Questionable on the Jews
    « Reply #11 on: October 06, 2015, 09:17:50 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Only Baptism into Christ with water, and living the Catholic Faith, can remove the disposition (curse) of the jews they inherited during the events of Matthew 27:25.

    All jews, even the ones not consciously rejecting Christ and not being a practicing jew, but void of Baptism and living the Faith, are still genetically, which is an effect from their timeless corrupted spirit, wired to, variably, attack Christ and His Church, spread perversions, sow discord and corruption among other people, murder, steal and deceive far more than any other race or ethnicity on the planet.

    Again, Baptism and living the Faith (NOT false conversions as an act of subterfuge) can remove their disposition, then they will as much Catholic as any cradle Catholic, and be free from their perfidious ways that was written in their DNA, which resulted from their spirit they inherited from the Serpent (Genesis 3:15).
    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)

    Offline rum

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 730
    • Reputation: +353/-256
    • Gender: Male
    Griff Ruby is Questionable on the Jews
    « Reply #12 on: October 06, 2015, 09:38:29 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: Matto
    That is a very long post and I don't have the time to read it all right now. Could you post here some of the strange things he wrote about the Jews? Thanks. I must say that I said on Te Deum Forums that I didn't think that Griff Ruby was a Catholic, not because of his opinions about the Jews, but because of his position on evolution.


    The whole thing should be read, but here are a couple excerpts:

    Quote
    If we really have transitioned from the Christian Covenant to some new Novus Ordo Marxist Covenant, then there is one most interesting difference.  In the early days of Christianity, the Christians were persecuted by the Jews.  It was only several centuries later they had sufficiently grown in size to “turn the tables” and even begin persecuting Jews, which seems a rather shocking lack of Christian forgiveness as I see it.  But now a bunch of corrupt churchmen come together in a council called Vatican II and by their own limited human authority decree a new Divine Covenant into existence, and this time they are armed with the whole force and wrath of the world, the flesh, and the Devil at their beck and call.  And they have wasted no time in persecuting right from the get-go those of us who alone remain of the Christian Covenant, namely we traditional Catholics.
       But you know what I think?  I think that the “New Marxist Covenant” has already passed its peak, and has nowhere left to go but downhill.  Perhaps in less than 500 years there will be more of us traditional Catholics than Novus Ordoites, and by at least a couple of orders of magnitude.  Will we be more forgiving of our persecutors this time?  For that matter, ought we be?  Forgiving, yes.  Welcoming (as is), no.
       For one foreseeable future for the Church might be seen in present Judaism today.  There are three main basic kinds of Jews, Orthodox, Conservative, and “Reform.”  The Orthodox are quite comparable to the traditional Catholics, committed to adhering to the whole Law (or at least as much of it as is feasible given the absence of the Temple etc.), and do all in their power to take it very seriously.  Likewise it is only the Traditional Catholics who truly adhere to the entirety of the Christian Gospel and Church and Faith, and again take it most seriously.  One other interesting thing that the Orthodox Jew and the Traditional Catholic have in common is that neither of us is interested in engaging in “ecumenical dialogue.”  Another is that where they lack the Temple, we lack a valid and true Pope.  So the race is on to see which happens first, last, and best:  Do they get a Temple or do we get a real Pope?  I think I have already made it clear in all my writings which horse I am backing.  Truth is One.  It’s either them or it’s us; it isn’t anybody else.
       Then there is the Conservative, and here one finds in both Judaism and Catholicism quite a continuum from the nearly Orthodox/Traditional to the nearly Reform/Novus Ordo, some availing themselves the authentic Divine worship in the non-vernacular liturgical language, while others are far removed from it, totally immersed in the modern irreligious culture.
       And finally, there is the Reform, much comparable to the Novus Ordo, except that where the Reform does seem to be accepted as Jewish by virtually all Jews, the Novus Ordo is clearly not Catholic, unless in the secrecy of the hearts of some very misled persons.  Even many of the same horrific liturgical abuses are as much rife in Reform Judaism as they are in the Novus Ordo.  In that they are also victims of the same satanic strategy as the Novus Ordoites themselves.
       So is the Christian Covenant finally thrown aside, to be given the same fate as the Jewish Covenant?  Must we too now proceed to endure centuries of persecutions and pogroms as the Jew has long known far too well?  Must we remain scattered and few and disunited until some such time, centuries hence, that some monstrous regime slaughters six million of us?  Are we to be called perfidious for failing to see the glorious Springtime of the New Man-made Pentecost of Vatican II?  I know that in a certain prayer recited by the Church once a year we make reference to “perfidious Jews.”  But is “perfidious” a descriptive adjective or classifying adjective?  Does it mean to imply that all Jews are perfidious, or does it mean to single out certain particular Jews who merely happen to also be perfidious?
       And by the way, I just thought I would mention here that “perfidious” in this particular liturgical usage merely means “unbelieving,” and in this case, quite specifically “unbelieving in the messianic claims of Jesus of Nazareth.”  It was never meant as an insult and should never be so taken.  It is simply a bare fact that they themselves would not deny (as understood here) and why it is they are in our prayers.



    Quote
    Might one from the above glean an idea that I am some kind of Jewish sympathizer?  I wouldn’t go quite that far.  But one thing I will say, and that is I am sick to death of times when my fellow Catholics who, when speaking of the “great conspiracy,” for some reason seem obsessed with emphasizing its supposed “Jewishness.”  Well excuse me, but if that’s the case why have they not exerted their incredible political and economic power to destroy the Pork industry and make only kosher foods available in the local supermarket?  If they can put all of Europe (and most of the world) on the Metric system, why can’t they also put so many people on the Jewish calendar?
       Of course, there are bound to be some members of the conspiracy who happen to have Jewish mothers, or even some very few who have been Bar Mitzvah’ed, etc., but apart from such technicalities (on par with the technicality which would make any validly baptized person a “Catholic” no matter the degree of their defection from the Faith in every sense of the word) they are no more Jews than I am, or even for that matter, than those who love to go on and on about the supposed “Jewish conspiracy.”  At most, one might concede a disproportionate number of those in the conspiracy to be of Jewish ancestry, due to the simple fact that the price of entry is a great deal of money.
       In case you haven’t noticed, Jews, almost to a man, are quite keen on getting a higher education which enables them to get better and higher paying jobs, to which they work harder, live frugally, save their money, and invest it carefully and wisely, over many years, and even across generations.  Even more important, when one or another of them is down on his luck the others gladly pitch in to help get their fellow Jew back on his feet.  And they do this even where one may disagree violently with another about a great many things.  Rabbi argues virulently with Rabbi over some finer point of Rabbinical Law, but at the end of the day they have a drink together, laugh it off, and there exists a powerful bond between them, almost, or in a way even more than, that of family.  Why do we all know so much more of the Jews who died under the Nazis than we do of all the others?  Because of their strong sense of family and community in which no one is forgotten.  “One does not perish among Jews.”
       In what few occasions I have had to be around them, I have felt it myself.  It is something quite profound and in a way even emotionally moving.  I can recall sitting at a dinner some years ago among them, and across the table from me sat a garrulous old woman who was forever going on (and on and on and on!) about her son (or was it her nephew?) and his progress through medical school, and despite the perfect boredom such a situation would normally inspire, I am actually interested to hear it.  Why that is I do not know, for I have nothing of Jewish blood in me, and as a faithful Catholic the most I could ever aspire to be among them would be a “Righteous Gentile.”  But, given my overt desire to bring them to my Lord Jesus Christ, I don’t see them commemorating me thus in Yad Vashem, even should I voluntarily take a bullet to save the life of a Jew.  After all, in all justice Pope Pius XII should be honored there for he also risked much to save many Jews from the Nazis, but he isn’t, and the only reason that is, is because he converted the Chief Rabbi of Rome to Catholicism and Jewry has never forgiven him for that.

    Offline Matto

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 5395
    • Reputation: +2976/-129
    • Gender: Male
    Griff Ruby is Questionable on the Jews
    « Reply #13 on: October 06, 2015, 11:48:07 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Thanks. That is enough. I don't have to read any more. He gets sick when people say the conspiracies are Jewish.
    In a Station of the Metro
    The apparition of these faces in the crowd;
    Petals on a wet, black bough.

    Offline ubipetrus

    • Jr. Member
    • **
    • Posts: 264
    • Reputation: +71/-6
    • Gender: Male
    Griff Ruby is Questionable on the Jews
    « Reply #14 on: October 12, 2015, 07:23:42 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Good grief!  In most of that "long posting" I am talking about the ancient Jews as mentioned in the Bible - before they rejected Christ, and the transition from that ancient covenant of God to the current covenant of Christ.  I guess by rum's standards, no one should have followed Moses out of Egypt, and maybe we should be rooting for Goliath rather than young (king-to-be) David, and maybe it's a shame the Greeks didn't succeed at womping the Maccabees.

    These ancient Jews were every bit as much in the center of God's plan as we traditional Catholics are today, so therefore I rejoice as much in their successes as I do in ours.  As for modern Jews, I can easily go with Fr. Fahey, but that is as far as I go.
    "O Jerusalem!  How often would I have gathered together your children, as the hen gathers her chickens under her wings, and you would not?" - Matthew 23:37

     

    Sitemap 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16