Author Topic: Ban Poche. (Read 6494 times)

MaterDominici · « **Reply #15 on:** May 28, 2013, 10:07:21 PM »

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The moderator has been PM'd...

Really?? I think it's time to fire your secretary.

magdalena · « **Reply #16 on:** May 28, 2013, 10:10:49 PM »

Isn't Poche the one who used to always post nothing but:

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Mithrandylan · « **Reply #17 on:** May 28, 2013, 10:13:26 PM »

Quote from: MaterDominici

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The moderator has been PM'd...

Really?? I think it's time to fire your secretary.

Well, when someone said they PMd the moderator, I assumed they were telling the truth!

MiserereMeiDeus · « **Reply #18 on:** May 28, 2013, 10:39:10 PM »

I haven't read a lot of posts by Poche, so I suppose it's possible that he's said some awful things on this forum that I haven't read, but I don't see anybody quoting anything he's said that would be reasonable cause for banning him. Does Poche advocate heresy? Perhaps those seeking his ouster could post some examples of that, if that's the problem. Is he vicious, mean-spirited, and completely lacking in charity? That would be another good reason for banning in my mind. Examples, anybody? Or is it something else? I'm not saying he shouldn't be banned because I really don't know what the story with him is, but I think that if people are trying to whip up a lynch mob, it would only be fair to provided concrete examples of why they think a lynching is in order.

Maizar · « **Reply #19 on:** May 28, 2013, 11:14:54 PM »

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And did killing heretics fix anything, apart from giving crowds of people the chance to sin mortally by gloating over the death of one they hate?

Yes, after a while there were fewer heretics in town preaching the path to damnation. So, Maizar, you think the Holy Office engaged in unspeakable and sinful acts? And what liberal history book did you read this in?

And do you know for sure the crowds all gloated and hated. I suspect that most were praying their rosaries and repenting their own sins.

I know what Aquinas and many popes have taught about heretics and the justification of putting them to death (although some have condemned the practice), and I understand and agree with the reasoning behind the rule (it is better to not have lived than to have a life that leads a multitude to damnation). But on a practical level I don't agree with it because in many cases people were wrongfully put to death as heretics.

Aquinas:

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But on the side of the Church is mercy which seeks the conversion of the wanderer, and She condemns him not at once, but after the first and second admonition, as the Apostle directs. Afterwards, however, if he is still stubborn, the Church takes care of the salvation of others by separating him from the Church through excommunication, and delivers him to the secular court to be removed from this world by death.

Putting a heretic to death is not a real solution to the problem of heresy which is an idea and not an individual. It backfires. We may as well make a list of several hundred million names of Christians who are heretics today, and go after them. Aquinas did far more good by debating and exposing his adversary than he would have done if he'd taken a gun and shot him.

Matthew · « **Reply #20 on:** May 28, 2013, 11:27:15 PM »

The Church used to condemn heretics, and turn them over to the secular authorities for punishment -- up to and including capital punishment.

(Yes, I'm posting something here just so everyone can see I've been to this thread...)

MyrnaM · « **Reply #21 on:** May 29, 2013, 09:07:51 AM »

Actually I have mixed feelings about members constantly crying and starting threads to have someone banned.

This is what we have a moderator for. PM him instead of dragging everyone to your opinion. We do have an ignore feature here, all you have to do is press the button.

I think I will take a long break from CathInfo.

Napoli · « **Reply #22 on:** May 29, 2013, 09:36:37 AM »

I PM'd Mathew. I did so because of his request to inform him of certain kinds of activity.

The church has always stood up against heretics. Why would it stop?

Napoli · « **Reply #23 on:** May 29, 2013, 09:54:10 AM »

There was an implication in one of the previous posts that the church was overzealous in pursuing heretics and perhaps it led to some uncharitable actions. I could not disagree more. Were the inquisition's wrong? Of course not! Actions by the church, in the past, are often presented by the modernists in a apologetic spin. I commend the church on its past actions. I think we need to continue in that same spirit here.

Francisco · « **Reply #24 on:** May 29, 2013, 10:14:27 AM »

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Actually I have mixed feelings about members constantly crying and starting threads to have someone banned.

This is what we have a moderator for. PM him instead of dragging everyone to your opinion. We do have an ignore feature here, all you have to do is press the button.
I think I will take a long break from CathInfo.

Make it a very short long break, MyrnaM.

Elizabeth · « **Reply #25 on:** May 29, 2013, 10:27:51 AM »

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. We do have an ignore feature here, all you have to do is press the button.

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True. And I love it when you post here, Myrna.

MyrnaM · « **Reply #26 on:** May 29, 2013, 11:02:45 AM »

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I PM'd Mathew. I did so because of his request to inform him of certain kinds of activity.

The church has always stood up against heretics. Why would it stop?

This is a forum, not THE CHURCH! I admit there are times when someone should be banned, don't get me wrong. It is I think we should put our self in the place of others sometime. I know how I would feel if there was an entire thread about me that said: "Ban Myrna" That's all I am saying. I feel strongly your negative feelings about others should be a little more discrete.

Thanks for those who had something encouraging for my posts here on this forum. I appreciate it.

Lighthouse · « **Reply #27 on:** May 29, 2013, 02:23:07 PM »

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But on a practical level I don't agree with it because in many cases people were wrongfully put to death as heretics.

Interesting cleavage between the theoretical and the practical. When I see statements like this, I suspect the writer of having too much immersion in public school education (the American kind) and Mel Brooks movies.

What does "many cases" mean to you? 6 people? 10%? 90%? If so, how would you ever prove it?

I know it's kind of "montypythonish" to think these things were big charades. Not funny. Really, not funny. A very serious matter.

Do you believe in capital punishment in secular cases?

Sigismund · « **Reply #28 on:** May 30, 2013, 08:11:55 PM »

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And did killing heretics fix anything, apart from giving crowds of people the chance to sin mortally by gloating over the death of one they hate?

:applause:

Sigismund · « **Reply #29 on:** May 30, 2013, 08:13:27 PM »

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Quote from: Maizar
And did killing heretics fix anything, apart from giving crowds of people the chance to sin mortally by gloating over the death of one they hate?

Yes, after a while there were fewer heretics in town preaching the path to damnation. So, Maizar, you think the Holy Office engaged in unspeakable and sinful acts? And what liberal history book did you read this in?

And do you know for sure the crowds all gloated and hated. I suspect that most were praying their rosaries and repenting their own sins.

Whether he does or not, I do.

I doubt that killing heretics has resulted in one genuine conversion.