Author Topic: Ban Poche. (Read 6850 times)

poche · « **Reply #45 on:** May 30, 2013, 09:56:07 PM »

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Is this post a good example of a reason to "ban poche?"

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May his soul and the souls of all the faithful departed rest in peace. Amen.

And if so, then why .. because poche thinks that Fr. Andrew Greeley is
among the faithful departed?

I didn't agree with much of what Fr Greeley was about but now that he has died I ask that God be have mercy on his soul. We don't know what the judgments of God are. It may be that he is in Hell, but he could also be in Purgatory. I want God to be merciful to me and I ask Him to be merciful to all of those who have died.

poche · « **Reply #46 on:** May 30, 2013, 09:57:15 PM »

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Yes I do. Killing people is serious business.

What do you mean by "proceeding" saint?

Then I guess war and the death penalty are immoral?

Well, they are serious business.

But your point is well taken. I overstated my case. Killing people over religion, even when it is the True Catholic Faith, is wrong.

War is usually wrong. There have been few of them, I think, that could meet all of St. Thomas's criteria for a just war. I am not opposed to the death penalty in principle. People who murder other people should pay with their lives. I am also inclined to think rape and kidnapping sould be capital offenses, although American law does not.

The fifth commandment says "Thou shalt not kill."

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #47 on:** May 30, 2013, 10:11:11 PM »

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The fifth commandment says "Thou shalt not kill."

That commandment is not meant for war (in terms of self-defense), the death penalty, or religious meanings.

Sorry to disappoint the pacifists here but Christianity was not meant to be a pacifist religion.

Charlemagne · « **Reply #48 on:** May 30, 2013, 10:21:13 PM »

Isn't there a strong argument that the actual translation is "Thou shalt not murder?"

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #49 on:** May 30, 2013, 10:36:59 PM »

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And did killing heretics fix anything, apart from giving crowds of people the chance to sin mortally by gloating over the death of one they hate?

Yes, after a while there were fewer heretics in town preaching the path to damnation. So, Maizar, you think the Holy Office engaged in unspeakable and sinful acts? And what liberal history book did you read this in?

And do you know for sure the crowds all gloated and hated. I suspect that most were praying their rosaries and repenting their own sins.

Whether he does or not, I do.

I doubt that killing heretics has resulted in one genuine conversion.

You do realize that accusing the Holy Office of engaging in sinful acts is a serious accusation, right?

As far as I am aware, no proceeding Saint has ever taken issue with it.

Yes I do. Killing people is serious business.

What do you mean by "proceeding" saint?

You probably agree with serial killers getting the death penalty.

A heretic is worse because he kills the soul. If murderers are to be killed then so should those spreading public heresy and leading souls astray.

I shouldn't have used the word "proceeding". I should have just said that none of the Saints have ever taken issue with it.