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Offline Matthew

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« on: August 20, 2011, 12:02:42 PM »
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  • Political correctness always bugs me in advertisements -- you know, when a children's storybook about "playing with their friends" features an asian, a european, a hispanic, and a black -- usually of both genders. Usually the mix is 100% random, even though the book is in English.

    I hate it because it denies reality and common sense. I went to a very mixed high school, and the blacks & whites did NOT associate that indiscriminately!

    Anyhow, I saw an advertisement today that I wanted to share on this topic.

    Question: Is this child white, black, or hispanic?  
    Answer: Yes.

    At first, I thought it was Barack Obama. I was close!
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    « Reply #1 on: August 20, 2011, 12:07:11 PM »
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  • I always wish that some traditional Catholic graphics designer would create some "mock" advertisements with no regard for Political Correctness whatsoever.

    You know, show a family with 9 closely spaced kids and portray it as being normal.

    Or have an advertisement for a pizza place and say, "celebrate with all your friends!" and have all 12 friends be the same race as the birthday boy :)
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    « Reply #2 on: August 20, 2011, 02:07:55 PM »
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  • Looks like a mulatto, which is what Obama is too.

    I feel sorry for kids like that...they don't belong anywhere, and it does eat away at them (I have a close friend who is mulatto, and she is OBSESSED with the race issue, because she doesn't know who or what she is.)

    A very sinful, IMO, thing to do to a child.
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    « Reply #3 on: August 20, 2011, 02:25:22 PM »
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  • Judaix, blacks and mexicans are ALL obsessed with race.
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    « Reply #4 on: August 20, 2011, 02:58:05 PM »
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  • It is probably more accurate to say the overwhelming majority rather than All.
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    « Reply #5 on: August 20, 2011, 04:06:57 PM »
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  • Quote from: Anna1959
    Looks like a mulatto, which is what Obama is too.

    I feel sorry for kids like that...they don't belong anywhere, and it does eat away at them (I have a close friend who is mulatto, and she is OBSESSED with the race issue, because she doesn't know who or what she is.)

    A very sinful, IMO, thing to do to a child.


    I wouldn't go so far as to say sinful, though it does cause problems for the child as far as identity goes.

    I think it's best to have an identity -- where you came from, your people, your family, etc. or else some one is going to give you a new identity.

    "Dissolve et coagula"
    "Ordo ab chao"

    The first means "Take apart and put together again"
    The second is "Order out of chaos"

    Both have a similar meaning -- first you tear down, then you rebuild in a new image.

    First they destroy all races/nationalities/identities, then they can give us all a common "new" culture -- completely antithetical to the Catholic Faith of course...

    You can't even replace nationality with the Catholic Faith -- because it's nice to be a certain KIND of Catholic, not just a generic "Catholic". There are lots of different personalities, etc.  A choleric Spaniard is going to happier being a Spanish Catholic -- complete with Spanish Catholic saints just like him who overcame their faults, etc. to become saints. It's sort of like a brand name -- what KIND of Catholic. God meant for it to be that way. He didn't create us all the same. He wants us all to serve Him as baptized Catholics, but He very much wants us to do it in a different way.

    If God didn't think that way, he wouldn't have created so many different kinds of men and animals.

    Even when you had the Holy Roman Empire, and a united Christendom, people still had identity based on their people, and where they were from. It didn't lead to hatreds or anything, but it was still there. Having a national identity in itself isn't a bad thing. It tends to be a bulwark against the designs of the Enemy.
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    « Reply #6 on: August 20, 2011, 04:16:08 PM »
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  • I guess what I'm trying to say is --

    One's national identity is a defense against those who try to change society into something anti-Catholic. Your people's traditions, if Catholic, can really help you to be stable against such an onslaught.

    For example, the hundreds of thousands of Irish priests and religious, as well as layfolk, who lived holy lives over the years seem to be pushing me to be a good Catholic, to not let them down.

    Ireland, the "Isle of saints", sent so many priests out -- men just like me -- to convert (and re-convert) countless pagans throughout Europe and the rest of the world. I'm part of something that goes back much further than 50 years. I'm just part of the current generation, which stretches back to those Catholic men and women who lived in Ireland (and Germany) and fought some of the same battles I'm fighting today.

    It gives me confidence that "I can do it" since men with similar personality, talents, etc. did it centuries ago.

    If I wasn't part of a history like that, it would just be me vs. the world. MUCH harder, if you ask me. And that's certainly how the Enemy sees it.
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    « Reply #7 on: August 20, 2011, 06:20:44 PM »
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  • Quote from: Anna1959
    Looks like a mulatto, which is what Obama is too.

    I feel sorry for kids like that...they don't belong anywhere, and it does eat away at them (I have a close friend who is mulatto, and she is OBSESSED with the race issue, because she doesn't know who or what she is.)

    A very sinful, IMO, thing to do to a child.


    Interesting.  I am white.  My wife was Filipino.  My kids seem to have turned out okay.  They certainly knew what they were as children.  They were human beings, and Catholic children of God.

    They played with black and brown kids too, but since they were mongrels to begin with, perhaps that won't seem so incomprehensible or politically correct.
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    « Reply #8 on: August 20, 2011, 06:26:59 PM »
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    Looks like a mulatto, which is what Obama is too.

    I feel sorry for kids like that...they don't belong anywhere, and it does eat away at them (I have a close friend who is mulatto, and she is OBSESSED with the race issue, because she doesn't know who or what she is.)

    A very sinful, IMO, thing to do to a child.


    Interesting.  I am white.  My wife was Filipino.  My kids seem to have turned out okay.  They certainly knew what they were as children.  They were human beings, and Catholic children of God.

    They played with black and brown kids too, but since they were mongrels to begin with, perhaps that won't seem so incomprehensible or politically correct.


    Here we go...

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    « Reply #9 on: August 21, 2011, 09:24:45 AM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew
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    A very sinful, IMO, thing to do to a child.


    I wouldn't go so far as to say sinful, though it does cause problems for the child as far as identity goes.

    I think it's best to have an identity -- where you came from, your people, your family, etc. or else some one is going to give you a new identity.
    ...
    You can't even replace nationality with the Catholic Faith -- because it's nice to be a certain KIND of Catholic, not just a generic "Catholic". There are lots of different personalities, etc.  A choleric Spaniard is going to happier being a Spanish Catholic -- complete with Spanish Catholic saints just like him who overcame their faults, etc. to become saints. It's sort of like a brand name -- what KIND of Catholic. God meant for it to be that way. He didn't create us all the same. He wants us all to serve Him as baptized Catholics, but He very much wants us to do it in a different way.

    If God didn't think that way, he wouldn't have created so many different kinds of men and animals.

    Even when you had the Holy Roman Empire, and a united Christendom, people still had identity based on their people, and where they were from. It didn't lead to hatreds or anything, but it was still there. Having a national identity in itself isn't a bad thing. It tends to be a bulwark against the designs of the Enemy.


    I don't know about over there, but having a mixed heritage (nationality-wise at least) is incredibly common in my experience.

    I can't think of many, if any, people who do not have different nationalities in their ancestry.

    How many people can you think of who can say of themselves, "Both my parents were English, and both their sets of parents were English.... etc"

    What? No Irish?

    I know of marriages between English/Australian, English/Austrian, English/French, English/Irish, English/African, English/New Zealand, English/German.

    I can't think of many English/English marriages! Except my own, and even I'm not completely English (being partly Irish).

    And you'd think an English/Irish marriage would be problematic, given our history. Yet, somehow there are an awful lot of English/Irish marriages.

    And I don't see why being a product of two different races should be any more of an identity crisis than being a product of people of two different languages.

    God confused our tongues for a reason! And yet, we marry foreigners all the time. And with the Church's blessing.

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    « Reply #10 on: August 21, 2011, 09:38:42 AM »
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    Political correctness always bugs me in advertisements -- you know, when a children's storybook about "playing with their friends" features an asian, a european, a hispanic, and a black...


    Such tokenism goes way back!









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    « Reply #11 on: August 21, 2011, 10:44:13 AM »
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  • I'm glad you noticed/brought this up, it's something that's mildly annoyed me for years: the ads with a model United Nations at a kid's birthday party or playing.

    However, I would say that what you're seeing is much more common in certain areas. For example where we're at my neighborhood looks like that. We're also much more populous (LA County) and we're in a traditionally port town. So our neighbors almost all speak 2 languages, are varying shades of brown, my own house is biracial, and to find a 'white' family....lessee...there's on on this block 4 doors down. That's it.

    When the kids play on my block, my biracial kid plays with 2 Peruvian American kids, a half-Vietnamese/half-Taiwanese boy, 2 kids that are half Indian/half-Iranian and the girl at the corner house is half-Mexican and her dad is white. There's that one white family 4 doors down, but their 2 boys are too big to play with all these toddlers.

    So, her (and their) birthday parties look like an ad that we think is unrealistic, but weirdly, I live in this world. Yesterday however we spent the day at the beach with the wife's family and it was literally over 50 people where I was the only white guy (one husband is Indian too) so it is true that people generally hang out with their own and not in 'rainbow coalitions'

    Point being, in urban (I mean really urban) areas such groups of friends are somewhat common, and advertisers may be making ads that, rather than trying to promote some agenda, are there to market to more dense populations (LA, NYC, etc)??

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    « Reply #12 on: August 21, 2011, 02:02:09 PM »
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  • I guess that's why I notice it -- I live in rural Texas (with frequent visits to a nearby large city). We're nowhere near that diverse here. Just a bunch of whites and hispanics for the most part.

    Regarding Clare's images --

    Those make perfect sense -- "omnes gentes" (all peoples/nations) should worship Him. He is King of the whole world. The artist was probably trying to portray that. Plus the Three Kings were not Jewish -- they were from a relatively distant land (of course, the Jews didn't look like Irish folk either!)

    Speaking of which, it annoys me when the Anglos (white folk) push the envelope all the way off the cliff and portray Our Lord as having dirty-blonde hair and blue eyes. You might as well portray Him as black for how historically accurate it is. At least portray him with dark hair and brown eyes. Jews didn't have anything but the darkest of brown eyes. Look at any middle eastern man today -- that's what the Jews looked like, more or less. You don't see blondes; you don't see blue eyes.

    Our Lord created all peoples; I didn't. God is obviously going to be more objective than me -- and we're talking about all men worshipping Jesus Christ. What do all men and nations have to do with me? :rolleyes:
    Humanly speaking, I don't feel any special attraction to those who are not like myself. Hey, at least I'm honest. But because of my Faith, since I became a serious Catholic, I do enjoy the company of any fervent Catholic and find the differences interesting. I enjoy talking with, being with other races as long as they're fellow Catholics. That's how it's meant to be. (BTW, I don't enjoy small talk with anyone though. I prefer one-on-one 1 1/2  hour conversations to (100) 1 minute conversations about nothing.)

    Friendship has to be based on something two people have in common. Since the Faith is the center of my life, it would be difficult to form a friendship with any non-Catholic -- even an Irish-German :)  I have proof, too. I know several people "of my own race" who have similar intellect, economic status, etc. but because they're not Catholic, I don't have much to relate to.

    But if I wasn't Catholic I'd probably just seek out friends of my own race, in my own socio-economic group. That's my comfort zone.
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    « Reply #13 on: August 21, 2011, 02:14:39 PM »
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    « Reply #14 on: August 21, 2011, 03:19:02 PM »
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  • I said what I did about it being wrong to deliberately have children of mixed heritage because I am one of those children, now grown.

    I'm not racially mixed (though some would say I am, since I am half Jewish and half Gentile). But it was VERY hard for me growing up...to this day I still have "issues" with identity.

    I felt if I identified with what my father was, I was slapping my mother and her family in the face. And I felt if I identified with what my mother was, I was slapping my father and his family in the face.
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