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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Transalpine Redemptorists repudiate the whole V2 shebang!
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2025, 04:09:34 PM »
I think he's trying to reach out to Indulters and get them to back to 100% Trad.  He's been writing about this for a while now.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Transalpine Redemptorists repudiate the whole V2 shebang!
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2025, 05:26:38 PM »
I made the same comments to +Vigano on X, though he doesn't likely read them all, that these guys are not to be trusted and supported.  While it's good to welcome newcomers who have seen the light, these guys are not in that category.

Nor is it a question of holding grudges, but how they are not to be trusted.  Given how they flip and flop based only on accidental circuмstances, it's clear that they are not actually Traditional Catholics, but change with the circuмstances and conditions.  They're given more latitude by Ratz, and suddenly, wow, we're all so thrilled to be back in "full communion" with the Conciliars, aka with the Apostasy, while they take subtle but very clear shots against those who did not compromise ... but then when they're suppressed, well, NOW they see the light.  Yeah, sure.  And, as I said, if Benedict XVII came along and welcome then again, you can be sure that they'd scurry right back in.

It took a long time before those who compromised by burning incense before the emperor's statue were trusted again by the Church, since they had been traitors.

You get your smells and bells, and then you're fine with the Conciliar Church and everything it stands for; they try to take away your smells and bells and your costumes ... well, then now you see the light.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Transalpine Redemptorists repudiate the whole V2 shebang!
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2025, 05:30:01 PM »
Quote from: girlytrad on October 22, 2025, 02:23:07 PM

That text is not AT ALL IN THE SERMON.

Here is a crucial selection of what he actually said

That was just an unfortunate typographical misplacement of the link, which I meant to put after here's what Ballini said, and then add my comments afterwards.

As for what Ballini said, I could hardly care less, as he's totally discredited after having harbored and then failing to disavow a predator priest, refusing to even make a statement on the matter.

+Vigano did expose Ballini has having been warned about the predator, and working with him anyway.

So he's another worthless fake-Trad bishop, a bad choice by Williamson.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Transalpine Redemptorists repudiate the whole V2 shebang!
« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2025, 05:33:27 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on October 22, 2025, 04:09:34 PM
I think he's trying to reach out to Indulters and get them to back to 100% Trad.  He's been writing about this for a while now.

That I understand, but these are not Indulters who are just waking up.  There were a large group of those for whom the Bergoglio phenomenon served as an actual grace to open their eyes.  These guys were Traditional for a while, and then became traitors, and now when they get shut down they see the light.  Pathetic.

That would be like if +Fellay's SSPX, after over a decade of persecuting Resistance priests who called out their compromises, became fully regularized with the Conciliars, got their personal prelature or whatever, and then when some Pope told them to shut down some of their chapels or their seminaries, they would then break with them again and denounce them using the same language that they used to denounce among the Resistance.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Transalpine Redemptorists repudiate the whole V2 shebang!
« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2025, 05:39:53 PM »
Quote from: girlytrad on October 22, 2025, 02:23:07 PM
But what matters in the eyes of God is that we recognize that we were wrong and say, “Well, I was wrong, that’s it, I’m coming back.” Let’s hope they all come back with their faithful, with their vocations, with their young families—back to Tradition, full Tradition, not half and half. It’s that Tradition that leads us to heaven, because there’s only one Church that leads us to heaven. Can that be the Novus Ordo? I leave to you the answer.

So, the fact that they vacillated between being Trad, then non-Trad, and now Trad again is an indicator that they are NOT fully committed to Tradition, but to traditions, like most of the Motarians.  If you recognize the egregious DOCTRINAL rupture between the Conciliar Church and Tradition, being allowed to wear the costumes and have yoru smells and bells does not suffice to lure you back into communion with and subjection to an Anti-Church.

They can SAY "we were wrong" (though they've done nothing of the sort, and still are reminiscing about the good old days with Ratzinger), but the question is do they really mean it.  It's like a kid who's caught stealing from the cookie jar expressing remorse, and saying he was wrong, just to avoid the consequences (aka punishment) ... and then at the very next opportunities is caught with his hand back in the jar, whereupon you realize that he was only sorry about having gotten caught.  They're only sorry about having been suppressed, not about having compromised.

Again, these are not lifelong Novus Ordites, or even long-time Motarians, who at some point received an actual grace to wake up.  They were Traditional for a long time, and then they compromised ... so they absolutely should have known better.  They're more along the lines of those who left to start FSSP or the Campos group, who having been steeped in Tradition for a very long time and so could not be excused of anything even remotely resembling an inculpble and invincible ignorance.
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