I have it on good authority that those priests ordained by novus ordo bishops were re-ordained by Bp. Roy.

But then reading the actual docuмent they most certainly do NOT repudiate "the whole V2 shebang" ... but only the Bergoglian era, listing Bergoglio's different acts, and the "Synocal Church".

In fact, they continue to say how wonderful things were under Ratzinger.

We believed that the old and beautiful traditions of our Faith, in particular the Latin Mass of all times, would be rightfully returned to us. This gave us hope, especially during the time of Benedict XVI.

So, it's all about the Latin Mass, the old beautiful traditions (which they at least rightly use lower-case for ... so not Tradition) ... as long as they get theirs, they'll bend the knee to the Conciliars and accept Vatican II, and not fight the good fight for everyone else who's being harmed and losing their faith because of Vatican II, whether Ratzingers gives them their smells and bells or not.

No Traditional group should have anything to do with these clowns.

These guys, just like indulters, are gaslighting themselves to believe that +Ratzinger was Traditional and that their sell-out was a good decision.  As the kids say, it's a cope.

Here's +Balini talking about them ...

In 2008, these guys spurned Traditional Catholicism and rejoiced in their reunion with the Conciliar Anti-Church ... and only now when they were suppressed did they suddenly "realize" that they should be Traditional Catholics.  In giving countenance to the Conciliar Church for the past 17 years, they are not to be trusted, and are to be accounted among traitors.  Only after many years of public penance, just like those who tossed the grain of incense to the emperor in the early Church, should be be embraced again by Traditionalists.  If tomorrow a Benedict XVII gave them recongition once more, they'd undoubtedly scurry right back into the Conciliar Church, since they clearly have no serious doctrinal opposition to the Conciliar errors, but just wanted to have their smells and bells and wear their fancy costumes, and as long as they got theirs, to hell with everyone else ... rather than fighting the good fight on behalf of ALL the faithful.  I liken them to those weasels in the cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρs who spy for the guards and act as their cooperators in their brutalization ... in return for privileges and favors they recieve, where they betray everyone else for their own benefit, and THEN after said privileges are removed, ONLY THEN suddenly they claim to be loyal to the other prisoners, one of them, and their ally.  So now these will posture as true Traditional Catholics, seeking donations from real Trads.  Everyone needs to turn their backs on them.  For nearly 20 years the turned their backs on Traditional Catholics, and Traditional Catholicism, since they got theirs, and implicitly criticized, spurned, and rejected them.  Clearly they do not oppose the Conciliar Church on doctrinal grounds, and never have, and do not now.

That text is not AT ALL IN THE SERMON.

Here is a crucial selection of what he actually said 

" So, friends, we should be delighted with the choice they made after seventeen years. I don’t know where they’re going, what they’re doing, what will happen to them. I don’t know. God knows. But these words are good in themselves, independently from who said them, who wrote them."



And here is the full sermon:

Term that was issued, a declaration that was issued just a few days ago on the 16th of October by the congregation of the Sons of the Most Holy Redeemer. Some of you might have heard of this event, might not. Anyway, you will today because I'll talk about it. I'm not reading the whole letter but passages of it and make some comments. So these Sons of the Holy Redeemer, who are they? Who were they? Well, they were called Redemptorists originally years ago. They were in tradition years ago until 2008. Then in 2008, they joined the Novus Ordo and they were very joyful and happy and grateful when they joined the Novus Ordo. I'm reading from the letter of the declaration that was made in 2008. They joined when I was in the seminary. So I heard of all these events. They were in Scotland then north of it. Now they are in Scotland. They are in New Zealand and they are, I think, in the United States. Anyway, on the feast of the Most Precious Blood in 2008, this is what they said:

“Our community now truly rejoices in undisputed and peaceful possession of communion with the Holy See because our priests are now in canonical good standing. So we are very grateful to our Holy Father Pope Benedict XVI and so on. Now we have that undisputed communion. It is a pearl of great price, a treasure hidden in the field, a sweetness that cannot be imagined by those who have not tasted it, who have not known it now for many years. Its value cannot be fully expressed in earthly language. And therefore, we hope that all traditional priests who have not yet done so will answer Pope Benedict's call to enjoy the grace of peaceful and undisputed communion with him. Believe us, the price to pay is nothing.”
In 2008, the price to pay is nothing. In 2025, hear what they say:

“We believed that it was possible to live as faithful children of the tradition within the structures of the modern church. We believed that the old and beautiful traditions of our faith, in particular the Latin Mass of old times, would be rightfully returned to us. This gave us hope, especially during the time of Benedict XVI. We confidently expected that we would be able to freely practice the faith of our fathers in the church. We didn't know how wrong we were.”

They say, “We believed. We had confidence.” Well, they tried. But from 2008 to 2025, seventeen years of belief and confidence, and now they say, “We were wrong.” Through years of trials and experience, we have come to the unfortunate conclusion that the traditional Catholic faith, the faith of old times and of the saints, is incompatible with the new modern church, the fruit of the Second Vatican Council. They simply cannot coexist in one body. We believed—we were wrong. After seventeen years of trials, of being tormented by this Novus Ordo, we believed, but now we can say we were wrong, because the two things are not compatible. The old and the new, they're not compatible. The old religion and the new religion, they don't go together. We cannot be both. It doesn't work unless we give up the faith, which is possible. If you wish, you give up the faith and you can be Novus Ordo and traditional at the same time. You could be Muslim and traditional Catholic—it’s the same. You have to give up the faith.

But listen to them, because this is not me. These are people who experienced being with the Novus Ordo trying to be traditional. “Since we deeply cherish and honor the traditional Latin Mass and cannot give up the Holy Mass of the centuries and of the saints, this new church does not want us. Because of our fidelity, we have been considered stubborn, difficult, and rebellious, stitched up and lied about in never-ending acrimony.” Nothing new—lied about, nothing new. As we said last week, and we keep saying constantly, lied about. This is what the devil does and this is what those who follow the devil do—lie. So these priests have been lied about because they were for tradition, but not just for tradition. They were against the new Mass. That's it. You cannot just say, “Well, I'm traditional. I'm for the old Mass.” No. If you are traditional, you're against the new Mass. And this is what they cannot accept. If you are against the new Mass, they cannot accept it. If you are for the old Mass but you don't care about the new Mass, you might accept it even in principle. That's fine within. It's okay that you can be traditional. There are plenty of traditional people who go with that—traditional, but not really. They go to the traditional Mass, but they also accept the new, and that is not to be traditional. That is to be half and half. That is to be not Catholic. That is to be losing the faith. That's it. Very simple.

The two things don't go together. It's either the new Mass or the old Mass. They can't be together because they don't want us. They don't want us here. They don't want them. These traditional priests—they didn't want them. It's simple. But it's useful for us to hear these words and you can read them yourselves, because they tell what they have experienced in seventeen years of the modern church—the Novus Ordo church. The two Masses do not go together. They cannot stand together. It is either the old or the new. But if it is the old, the new has to cease to disappear. And we cannot accept both. We cannot mix oil and water. How many times we've been told by our bishops before—we cannot mix oil and water. You turn, you stay there, it's there. You keep going and for a while it goes together, but then you leave it there, the oil goes up. They are different things. They're different faiths. They have different ceremonies with different meanings and different values.

This letter appeals to all who sense that something is tremendously wrong in the church or who think that the new church and the unchanging faith can peacefully coexist. “Allow us to state the sad truth that our experience clearly shows this is not possible. Surely this new church would shock all the holy popes who declared time and again that religious indifferentism is a very great evil absolutely incompatible with the Catholic faith.”

As I said, you want the two Masses—Church of England. They have the two Masses. They have the old Mass too in the Church of England. Of course they do. In Latin. You can search for it. They give it to you as nice as we do, better even—with all those children with great colors around their necks singing beautifully. And they have the new Mass and they have a Protestant Mass, even more Protestant than the new. It’s everything in that church. If it's not Catholic, it's not the church of Christ. It's not the church founded by our Lord Jesus Christ. There's no faith there. There's nothing.

But you can have it. We can all have it. The Novus Ordo is more or less the same. You can have your old traditional Mass—sure you can—as long as you accept the new. It's like a multicultural restaurant. You’ve seen those restaurants—well, you like lasagna, get your lasagna. But the one next to you likes fried rice, well, he gets it. And if you say, “No, here we only eat Italian,” they throw you out. This is a multicultural restaurant. You eat Chinese and Italian. That's the Novus Ordo.
If you go in the Novus Ordo and say, “No, only the old Mass,” they say no, out. If you say, “Well, I can have the old Mass but other people can have the new,” they say, “That's okay, you can, I give you a church.”

“We tell you we will not be complicit by silence in this ongoing destruction of the church. We must speak up at some time and what better time than now. After seventeen years as a community within the structures of the church, we have been continually isolated and harassed.” They must speak. You have to speak. You have to say something about this. Otherwise, you are complicit. It means that you accept what they accept. If you say nothing, you might not in your heart, deep there in your heart, you might say, “I don't like any of those things that go on here.” But if you keep going, you are complicit. It's a lie. Again, it's another lie because that's the way the devil works—lie, lie, lie.

“So long as there is but one soul that asks us for the holy sacrifice of the Mass, the sacraments, and spiritual help, with God's grace we will not desert it.”

What's the story? They were told to leave from New Zealand. The bishop told them to leave. Well, that's his right. The bishop is in charge. There's no choice. That's the way the church is made. The bishop is in charge. He decides who's in the diocese, who's not, what religious community is in. If you submit yourself to the bishop, well, you have to do what he tells you. If he says you're out, you go. Well, they didn't like it, so they appealed to the Vatican. Imagine—because the Vatican is traditional, for we all know. The Vatican said, “You go, the bishop is right.” Of course the bishop is right. The church works that way. The higher is right. The pope is not going to tell the bishop, “You're wrong, they're right, obey and do what they say.” No. The pope says, “You're in charge. You decided.” So, especially these people are traditionalists. Well, they go. And they said, “No, no, it's enough. We go because we say the old Mass, because we don't want to have anything to do with these novelties.”
I'd say they were wrong in getting involved with the Novus Ordo. De
eply wrong. And I'm sure they were told in 2008. Well, they had to taste it, as many of us. No, we're told, “Oh, you shouldn't be doing this, you're wrong.” Well, but we do it anyway. Well, at least they say after seventeen years we were wrong. Thank God for that. Thank God for that.

The problem, they say, is that the superiors decided not to obey their superiors. That means that the highest authorities in the Church decided one day not to obey God. And if you don't obey God anymore, you break the chain of command. You make your own laws. And we're no longer obliged to obey if you go against God. These churchmen disobey God, they say, and then having shattered the chain of God's command, they attempt to invoke religious obedience for matters that deplete the Church and take away the Holy Mass.

This is what's happening. This is what they said to us only a few months ago on TV after Trump. “Ah, they are disobedient. Ah, they don't want the Novus Ordo Mass. They are for the old stuff.” It's all true. But those who are really disobedient, who made up a new religion, it's not us. It's them. They just took over the churches. Imagine if they didn't have the churches. They would look like a sect, like Protestants. The fact that they have the churches gives an appearance of being Catholic, because it's a cathedral, the bishop’s palace, the beautiful church, the one with the long tower. They keep having those churches. But imagine for a second if they were thrown out. Their religion would look like Protestantism. Simple as that.
So people are under the illusion that they are Catholic because they have the churches, and they are under the illusion that we are not because we don't have them. But if you take away churches and leave the doctrine and the liturgy, who's more Catholic? I leave it to you.

Then they continue the letter by telling us what they repudiate, what they do not accept and reject of these novelties, because they know for seventeen years they've been complicit, and everyone thought that they agreed. Now they have to tell the world, “We don't agree.” They have to show it to the entire world to bring things into clarity. And so this is what they say:

We repudiate Amoris Laetitia permitting Holy Communion to couples living in sin.
 We repudiate Traditionis Custodes, persecution of the Mass and Catholics.
 We repudiate Fiducia Supplicans permitting the blessing of same-sex couples.
 We repudiate the docuмent on human fraternity stating that God wills all religions.
 We repudiate the false theology of “sister churches” and “partial communion.”
 We repudiate the false shepherds who triumphantly processed the Pachamama idol in St. Peter’s.
 We repudiate Francis apologizing for the heroic Catholic who threw that idol into the river.
 We repudiate the scourge of religious indifference in New Zealand and throughout the Church.
 We repudiate the New Zealand bishops’ acts of closing churches and denying the sacraments in cowardly submission to the COVID-19 oppression.
 We repudiate the bishop of Christchurch receiving his ashes on Ash Wednesday from the Anglican bishop of Christchurch.
 We repudiate the corruption of children and scandal given to the innocent through evil catechetical programs.
 We repudiate Francis teaching that all religions are as different languages and asking, “Is my God more important than yours?”
 We repudiate the silence of those bishops who failed to speak out against the betrayal of the faith.
 We repudiate the “synodal churches” distinct from the divinely constituted Catholic Church.
 We repudiate the ongoing destruction and humiliation of our Holy Mother Church.
 We repudiate those who attack or undermine the Church in her dogma, morals, sacraments or discipline with a new cult of man.

But I would add to this list:
We repudiate Vatican II with all its novelties.
We repudiate religious liberty which puts error and truth on the same level.
We repudiate false ecuмenism which destroys all missionary spirit.
We repudiate collegiality which introduces democracy into the Church.
We repudiate the new liturgy which replaces God with man.
We repudiate the Novus Ordo which is an evil ceremony displeasing to God.
This is what we all should repudiate, and we all should put it out of the church door and say, “This is what we stand for.”

They say to all who read these words: “How long will all this nonsense go on? Whatever may be the cost to us, with the Apostle we must say, Anathema.”

It's not the end of it, because as you know, scandal after scandal after scandal. Now we know that next week His Majesty the King is going to Rome and meeting the Holy Father. We know that His Majesty the King, in communion with the Holy Father, will pray in the Sistine Chapel. They both will pray in the Sistine Chapel at the same time together. But more than that, we know that the Holy Father is going to grant to His Majesty the King a permanent seat in the Church of St. Paul Outside the Walls—a permanent seat! That means that he, His Majesty the King, will have a seat in one of the major churches of Christianity, fixed. The seat will be there forever. When he goes, he can sit there.

And His Majesty the King is certainly down the line of those who preceded him in destroying the Catholic faith, in attacking, torturing, and putting to death thousands of people because of their faith, and in trying to ban the Mass from this island and also the one on the other side of the sea, Great Britain. This is what the predecessors of His Majesty the King did. And we don’t even talk about the famine or the starvation and all the rest that they have done before, because of course we are all subject and obedient to the Crown.

But you must understand there is much more behind the act of giving a chair to a man who’s a Protestant, who’s the leader of a Protestant sect. Your people must turn around in their graves to see that the Pope is giving him a chair fixed in one of the four greatest churches of Christianity. Can you imagine? People gave their lives against these men who wanted to take away the faith from them. Can you imagine?

We repudiate all that. Well, I do. I’m not even any ancestor that gave his life for the faith, at least on this island. I cannot say so for you, but you have to say that for yourselves: we repudiate that. And we should be courageous enough to put these things outside our church—well, it's not ready yet—that we stand for all this. And I would ask: what about the church where they say the Latin Mass on the other side of the river? Can they put this outside their door? Because if they don’t, it means that they stand for all these things. It means that they are in favor of that chair for the King of England, Great Britain, and Ireland and so on and so forth. They stand for it by the fact that they walk in that church and worship. They stand for all this.
“We tell you we will not be complicit by silence in this ongoing destruction of the Church.” Say these priests: complicit because of their silence, complicit in all these scandals and betrayals of God are those who, by silence, accept and go to a traditional Latin Mass which is done under these conditions. How can you do that? Well, you give away your faith. Well, you can do it—as we said from the beginning, you can do it if you don’t believe anymore. You can go to that Mass.

And I have nothing against the individual priest, because otherwise they will make another TV show or internet program saying that—no, no, I want to be clear that I'm worse than anyone else. I am the worst priest you can get. We laugh, but I do believe it. I'm morally corrupted and everything you want. I'm not saying that I'm better than anyone else—opposite to that. Worse, worse, worse. But these are not my words. I'm not witnessing and saying because I'm so holy, listen to me. I say I'm worse than anyone you can think about. I deserve to go to hell. But what I'm saying is just repeating what others say. It’s up to you to agree or disagree.

After seventeen years, we didn’t know how wrong we were. So, friends, we should be delighted with the choice they made after seventeen years. I don’t know where they’re going, what they’re doing, what will happen to them. I don’t know. God knows. But these words are good in themselves, independently from who said them, who wrote them. Pick them up, print them, and go and distribute. Yes, go in the church on the other side of the river with all these papers and give them outside and say to each one of those who come out, “Read this. Do you agree?” If they say, “I do agree,” well then you say, “Get out,” because this new church does not want you. They want your money. This is what they want.

You really think that they are convinced that by coming to the true Mass here, you're going to hell? They got rid of hell. Why don’t they want you to go to the Mass here? Because they care about your soul? They send people to hell daily by doing all these things that these traditional priests reject. They care about something else.

People, be aware of it. Be smart. Understand—they care about something else. So again, with all due respect for the people involved, of course I have nothing against personally the priest who says the traditional Mass or the bishop that allows it. Not personally. I believe they are good people. Who am I to say they're not? I've never met them. Nevertheless, they’re capable of saying that I’m kind of Satan personified. But I don’t know them, and I believe they’re good and they do it in good faith. Nevertheless, by silence we are complicit.

I told you a story today. It's a story of many, because we are all tempted to embrace that church and say, “Accept us. Take us.” We all want to worship God in a church. We soon will have our own, don’t worry. But we all want to worship God in the long term. It’s a beautiful church, and we come out of it proud and say, “I’m Catholic.” We all want that. But what’s the price? To give up our faith, to give it up.

But what about your great-great-great-grandparents? If they look at you and say, “Really? We were starving. We would not get the soup from these Protestants, and you are giving up the faith? Really? What pride is there?” Think of it. Think of what’s happening. Think of what this Novus Ordo is doing. Think that His Majesty the King is much more welcome in the Catholic Church than you. And you know His Majesty much more than I do, even though I am a fan of the royal family and I follow all the connections that they have. Think of it. He has a seat—a non-Catholic. You’ve been Catholic from your baptism.

Anyway, we pray for these priests. I would say may God give them strength. We pray for more priests to come and make the same choices. We give this letter to those who think there’s something tremendously wrong in the Church. We give this letter to those who think that the new Church and the unchanging faith can peacefully coexist. Make copies. Send them around. Give them to your parish priest.

We hope and pray that more will follow and understand that this cannot go on, and we cannot all accept it if we want to be Catholic. If you want to be Catholic—I'm already going to hell just to make sure that’s recorded—but you are not. You’re not.

As I said before, we have to make a choice—one side or the other. You can’t have the two together. You can try. Some of you might not have seventeen years to try. I don’t. You might be faster. It might take less than seventeen years. But listen to those who have experienced that and suffered for it, because they suffered and we should be sorry for them. Even though they made the wrong choice, we should still be sorry for them. We can all make the wrong choice—that’s it.

But what matters in the eyes of God is that we recognize that we were wrong and say, “Well, I was wrong, that’s it, I’m coming back.” Let’s hope they all come back with their faithful, with their vocations, with their young families—back to Tradition, full Tradition, not half and half. It’s that Tradition that leads us to heaven, because there’s only one Church that leads us to heaven. Can that be the Novus Ordo? I leave to you the answer.

In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. Thank you.

Bishop Vigano is a half trad then I guess...

I made the same comments to +Vigano on X, though he doesn't likely read them all, that these guys are not to be trusted and supported.  While it's good to welcome newcomers who have seen the light, these guys are not in that category.

Nor is it a question of holding grudges, but how they are not to be trusted.  Given how they flip and flop based only on accidental circuмstances, it's clear that they are not actually Traditional Catholics, but change with the circuмstances and conditions.  They're given more latitude by Ratz, and suddenly, wow, we're all so thrilled to be back in "full communion" with the Conciliars, aka with the Apostasy, while they take subtle but very clear shots against those who did not compromise ... but then when they're suppressed, well, NOW they see the light.  Yeah, sure.  And, as I said, if Benedict XVII came along and welcome then again, you can be sure that they'd scurry right back in.

It took a long time before those who compromised by burning incense before the emperor's statue were trusted again by the Church, since they had been traitors.

You get your smells and bells, and then you're fine with the Conciliar Church and everything it stands for; they try to take away your smells and bells and your costumes ... well, then now you see the light.

I think he's trying to reach out to Indulters and get them to back to 100% Trad.  He's been writing about this for a while now.

That I understand, but these are not Indulters who are just waking up.  There were a large group of those for whom the Bergoglio phenomenon served as an actual grace to open their eyes.  These guys were Traditional for a while, and then became traitors, and now when they get shut down they see the light.  Pathetic.

That would be like if +Fellay's SSPX, after over a decade of persecuting Resistance priests who called out their compromises, became fully regularized with the Conciliars, got their personal prelature or whatever, and then when some Pope told them to shut down some of their chapels or their seminaries, they would then break with them again and denounce them using the same language that they used to denounce among the Resistance.