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Offline Matthew

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Re: The real issue between occasionally and never attending NO
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2021, 01:49:14 AM »
Both are still a blasphemy.  Both are a fake sacrifice.  Both are anti-catholic.  Etc etc
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If you read +Ottaviani’s rebuke of the new mass (which is just a summary of problems), you’ll see why he called it anti-Trent.  This is proof enough that it’s offensive to God in a great way.  
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+Ottaviani’s study is free online.
Ottaviani is one of the theologians whose books I'd push -- he's classic Traditional Catholic. The earliest Traditional Catholics were all familiar with the Ottaviani Intervention, and it formed part of the foundation or justification for the whole Traditional Movement.

Re: The real issue between occasionally and never attending NO
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2021, 04:11:47 AM »
I consider attendance at the novus ordo like attendance at a service of materially heretical Protestants.
In general, neither group is there to deliberately engage in heretical or demonic worship.  For a few Catholics, those whom you know who truly have the Faith, but have yet to discover or have access to traditional Mass, I sit with family or friends and pray from my own missal.  I definitely draw the line regarding communion or being a sponsor or the like. 
Example, I prayed the Rosary with everyone else at my grandmother’s funeral Mass. She was 102. Regardless of it being a novus ordo, she knew and practiced the Catholic faith better than most who today call themselves traditional.  At the time, 2001, I had never heard of tradition except as an historical entity.  If I went to church at all, it was to whatever Protestant church I was ‘checking out’ in search of God.  I’d given up on the Catholics by the mid-1970s.  Despite the disdain of many Protestants for the Rosary or anything to do with Mary, I had an attraction to it and Her that I kept to myself for decades.  
I did the same at the novus ordo funerals of my Uncle and Aunt, both of whom had the Faith.  By then, 2009 and 2013, I had “discovered” tradition.  At a Confirmation, a Baptism, and two more novus ordo funerals of non-family members who I didn’t know very well, I did exactly as I’d do at a Protestant service, sat towards the back, present out of professional obligation or respect, and silently prayed the Rosary or sat quietly.  


Re: The real issue between occasionally and never attending NO
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2021, 07:48:03 AM »
Both are still a blasphemy.  Both are a fake sacrifice.  Both are anti-catholic.  Etc etc
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If you read +Ottaviani’s rebuke of the new mass (which is just a summary of problems), you’ll see why he called it anti-Trent.  This is proof enough that it’s offensive to God in a great way.  
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+Ottaviani’s study is free online.
Exactly. A Protestant fake-Mass is a Satanic parody of the Mass just like the NO. So why was it not a sin to attend a Protestant wedding pre-V2 but it's a mortal sin to attend an NO wedding?

Re: The real issue between occasionally and never attending NO
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2021, 01:19:31 PM »
The last time I attended a NO apart from a funeral, etc. was 1978. I had just become a Catholic and didn't know any better. I found the trad movement 2 months later (back then it consisted of ORCM, SSPX, Ave Maria Chapel in NY, and I think the Abbe de Nantes in France).

The last/only time since 1978 that I attended one was in the 2000s for a funeral.

Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: The real issue between occasionally and never attending NO
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2021, 02:15:35 PM »
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Exactly. A Protestant fake-Mass is a Satanic parody of the Mass just like the NO. So why was it not a sin to attend a Protestant wedding pre-V2 but it's a mortal sin to attend an NO wedding?

If you are comparing simply the NO wedding with a Protestant wedding, you are correct.  The difference, which you fail to recognize, is that if the NO wedding also includes a new mass, that is the clinching factor that you cannot attend.
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It's shocking to me that so many of you have no principles on why we avoid the new mass 100%.  That is part of being a Traditional Catholic.  If you have some exceptions in mind on why it's ok to attend *sometimes*, then your refusal to attend it is not based on doctrine/theology, but pure sentimentality ("it's not as good", "it's inferior", etc).
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Again, if you understood what the True Mass is, how holy it is, how perfect in God's eyes it is, then ANYTHING which makes it less holy or less perfect is an ABOMINATION.  Let's not forget that God despised Cain's offering, simply because Cain made it with a "not as good" intention.
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God is perfect and all-holy.  Thus, the Mass we offer to Him MUST be perfect and all-holy.  This is what He deserves, as Our Creator.  If we give scandal by "passively" attending a NO, we sin by 2 of nine ways of being an accessory to sin - silence and consent.  Thus, we give scandal to everyone else there.  
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It waters down the whole Trad movement if we give into the new mass, because then we send the message that Traditionalism is simply a "preference".  If you can go for weddings/funerals, why can't you go for other special occasions, like Christmas, Easter and New Years?  It's a slippery slope of bad logic, poor theology and a betrayal of doctrine.