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Re: The Great Monarch Arrives (in China)!
« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2022, 06:43:27 PM »
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  • 3) It is no joke.  He’s a dead-serious separatist, and that’s going to land you in hot water with the commies.

    Yup.  Unfortunately, I'm not sure that his Traditional faith is the primary reason for his arrest, but rather his political views.

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    Re: The Great Monarch Arrives (in China)!
    « Reply #16 on: June 20, 2022, 09:30:39 PM »
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  • To quote someone from when I was on Gab: "The Great Monarch is the original Q"

    In my opinion, the time has long passed for that prophecy.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]


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    Re: The Great Monarch Arrives (in China)!
    « Reply #17 on: June 20, 2022, 10:19:18 PM »
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  • To quote someone from when I was on Gab: "The Great Monarch is the original Q"

    In my opinion, the time has long passed for that prophecy.
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    Thumbs up, pal! This is a fascinating insight. Constant predictions about some great hero who will put all the bad guys away and restore everything to what it should be ... who is always just around the corner.

    I never thought of the Great Monarch this way, but fake prophecies have been around since the beginning of the Church. In the middle ages there was something called the Mirabilis Liber that predicted all kinds of things that never happened. It supposedly included a number of statements from canonized saints, and yet I believe it was on the Index of Forbidden Books (or the medieval equivalent).

    Here's a juicy excerpt from this absurd book:


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    There shall be earthquakes in divers places.
     The cities and provinces of the Islanders shall be swallowed up by floods.
     To the plague which shall devastate some places shall be joined the fury of enemies, and nothing shall be able to comfort them.
     Then shall come a king called B., under whose reign there shall be many wars.
     He shall reign for two years, and after him shall come a prince A., who shall remain a long time on the throne.
     He shall march against Rome and shall seize it.
     The Lord shall not deliver it into the hands of his enemies during his lifetime.
     He shall be good and great, and shall render justice to the poor.
     He shall be from the race of the Lombards.
     After him there shall be another prince, named B, from whom twelve other B. shall spring.
     Himself a Lombard, he shall reign a hundred years.
     Then shall appear, after him, a Salic [i.e.Frankish] prince, named L., a frightful prince, under whom shall begin a series of sufferings whose like has never been since the beginning of the world: battles, tribulations, bƖσσdshɛd, earthquakes, cities in captivity.
     The Lord in his wrath shall send a man whose yoke nobody shall be able to shake off, other than the Lord himself.
     The Romans shall be beaten, and the Roman city shall be destroyed.
     The earth shall be covered in ruins: never shall monarch have done such a thing.
     This city [i.e.Rome] shall be called Babylon; this kingdom shall be of iron, and Rome shall be prey to persecution and the sword.
     Men shall be greedy, despots, hard on paupers, oppressors, unjust, wicked.
     Resistance shall be impossible at the time, but the Persians, Macedonians and Turks, hearing of this tyrant, shall form an alliance, shall come to Rome, and shall seize the Salic prince, whom they shall cause to undergo a cruel death, and the burning of Rome shall be avenged.
     Then shall emerge in Gaul a king of the Greeks, Francs and Romans, of lofty stature and handsome appearance; his body and limbs shall have the most beautiful proportions; he shall reign a hundred and twelve years; he shall carry written on his forehead: "This man, verily, is destined to avenge Christendom, snatch it away from the yoke of Ishmael [i.e.the Arabs], conquer it from the Saracens; none of the Saracens shall thereafter be able to reign.
     " Seven times over, he shall cause them the greatest ill, shall ruin their whole empire, shall strike them; after that, peace shall reign for Christians up until the time of the Antichrist.


    It is obvious that most of these things have been disproved by subsequent events.

    I think people have such a great desire to know the future, and likewise to be saved by some great hero from the evils of the world, that a prediction of the future that tells them of such a coming hero is almost irresistible.

    It is entirely plausible that the Great Monarch is one of those things too.


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    Re: The Great Monarch Arrives (in China)!
    « Reply #18 on: June 20, 2022, 10:40:48 PM »
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  • I suppose we can abstract from this concrete situation and discuss false prophecies and the like, but the OP (despite its title) is about a traditional Catholic man in the world's most oppressive country being imprisoned for wanting a Catholic state. 

    Don't be fαɢs. That's courageous stuff. Let's keep Jacob Pius in our prayers, and hope we can have just a little of that mettle. 
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    Re: The Great Monarch Arrives (in China)!
    « Reply #19 on: June 20, 2022, 10:56:01 PM »
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  • Sorry, guys, but there's WAY too much Catholic prophecy from some highly-credible mystics backing the arrival of a Great Monarch to gratuitously dismiss.


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    Re: The Great Monarch Arrives (in China)!
    « Reply #20 on: June 20, 2022, 10:58:09 PM »
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  • He will likely be a saint soon. :pray: for him to hold fast till the end!
    I accept Church teaching on Implicit Baptism of Desire.
    Francis is Pope.
    NO is a good Mass.
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    Re: The Great Monarch Arrives (in China)!
    « Reply #21 on: June 20, 2022, 11:06:28 PM »
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  • I suppose we can abstract from this concrete situation and discuss false prophecies and the like, but the OP (despite its title) is about a traditional Catholic man in the world's most oppressive country being imprisoned for wanting a Catholic state.

    Don't be fαɢs. That's courageous stuff. Let's keep Jacob Pius in our prayers, and hope we can have just a little of that mettle.
    Besides there is nothing in this thread to infer that this brave young man is, or claims  to be, the Great Monarch, except for the title Sean gave it. 
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: The Great Monarch Arrives (in China)!
    « Reply #22 on: June 21, 2022, 09:21:09 AM »
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    Thumbs up, pal! This is a fascinating insight. Constant predictions about some great hero who will put all the bad guys away and restore everything to what it should be ... who is always just around the corner.

    I never thought of the Great Monarch this way, but fake prophecies have been around since the beginning of the Church. In the middle ages there was something called the Mirabilis Liber that predicted all kinds of things that never happened. It supposedly included a number of statements from canonized saints, and yet I believe it was on the Index of Forbidden Books (or the medieval equivalent).

    Here's a juicy excerpt from this absurd book:



    It is obvious that most of these things have been disproved by subsequent events.

    I think people have such a great desire to know the future, and likewise to be saved by some great hero from the evils of the world, that a prediction of the future that tells them of such a coming hero is almost irresistible.

    It is entirely plausible that the Great Monarch is one of those things too.

    Agreed. Its obviously acceptable to have faith in these prophecies when they're approved for belief, so I'm not saying people can't believe in them. I simply don't. Only the prophecies in Scripture are guaranteed to come true.

    The time of monarchs has passed, I personally think the possibility for its fulfillment closed with the destruction of Christendom by WWI. It seems like a prophecy that was meant to be fulfilled in the 19th century when the papal states were seized and restructured into modern Italy.

    This kind of goes for the Fatima prophecies as well. Some provide solid evidence that the consecration was done by Pius XII (which I've since come to agree with again), some disagree and follow the Grunerite fantasy that it's yet to come. I don't believe its fruitful to keep all of our faith in the hope for a worldly utopia when we are warned against such hopes time and time again by Our Lord.

    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]


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    Re: The Great Monarch Arrives (in China)!
    « Reply #23 on: June 21, 2022, 01:12:16 PM »
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  • This kind of goes for the Fatima prophecies as well. Some provide solid evidence that the consecration was done by Pius XII (which I've since come to agree with again), some disagree and follow the Grunerite fantasy that it's yet to come. I don't believe its fruitful to keep all of our faith in the hope for a worldly utopia when we are warned against such hopes time and time again by Our Lord.
    And just look at what Fatima is being used for with Francis and his "consecration". Russia is seen as a savior and somehow not attached to the Great Reset, etc. There are even people supposedly on the Right calling for Russia to destroy the United States apparently without a sense of self preservation. Then there are those that claim that this and that prophecy hasn't been fulfilled, therefore this and that must be the case or come true.

    I've done a lot of conspiracy research, but I admire the few on the forum who avoided the danger with a simple Catholic faith. It's easier to believe that we have it figured all out when we really know almost nothing and face a future full of unknowns.

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    Re: The Great Monarch Arrives (in China)!
    « Reply #24 on: June 21, 2022, 10:47:54 PM »
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  • And just look at what Fatima is being used for with Francis and his "consecration". Russia is seen as a savior and somehow not attached to the Great Reset, etc. There are even people supposedly on the Right calling for Russia to destroy the United States apparently without a sense of self preservation. Then there are those that claim that this and that prophecy hasn't been fulfilled, therefore this and that must be the case or come true.

    I've done a lot of conspiracy research, but I admire the few on the forum who avoided the danger with a simple Catholic faith. It's easier to believe that we have it figured all out when we really know almost nothing and face a future full of unknowns.

    Not to divulge much from the topic at hand, but is actually through my research concerning Russia's status as a crypto-Communist state that further convinces me that the Consecration has not been done. 

    Agreed. Its obviously acceptable to have faith in these prophecies when they're approved for belief, so I'm not saying people can't believe in them. I simply don't. Only the prophecies in Scripture are guaranteed to come true.

    The time of monarchs has passed, I personally think the possibility for its fulfillment closed with the destruction of Christendom by WWI. It seems like a prophecy that was meant to be fulfilled in the 19th century when the papal states were seized and restructured into modern Italy.

    This kind of goes for the Fatima prophecies as well. Some provide solid evidence that the consecration was done by Pius XII (which I've since come to agree with again), some disagree and follow the Grunerite fantasy that it's yet to come. I don't believe its fruitful to keep all of our faith in the hope for a worldly utopia when we are warned against such hopes time and time again by Our Lord.



    Personally, I think that monarchs will come back. After all, monarchy is perhaps the most natural form of government in the world. It will only take a collapse of this wretched post-WWII world order, and from it the ashes of a new, regenerated old world order will be reborn. Once men can no longer cling to this pathetic cripple of modern civilization, they will have to "get real" so to speak (without government programs and bureaucracy to help them) and common sense will become common again. 

    I think that I should stop here so as not to further take away from the OP. 

    Jacob Pius is a hero, though perhaps he may have been imprudent for posting his separatist opinions online, ultimately he was fighting for a Catholic cause. I will remember him in my prayers. 







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    Re: The Great Monarch Arrives (in China)!
    « Reply #25 on: June 21, 2022, 11:18:47 PM »
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  • Agreed. Its obviously acceptable to have faith in these prophecies when they're approved for belief, so I'm not saying people can't believe in them. I simply don't. Only the prophecies in Scripture are guaranteed to come true.

    The time of monarchs has passed, I personally think the possibility for its fulfillment closed with the destruction of Christendom by WWI. It seems like a prophecy that was meant to be fulfilled in the 19th century when the papal states were seized and restructured into modern Italy.

    This kind of goes for the Fatima prophecies as well. Some provide solid evidence that the consecration was done by Pius XII (which I've since come to agree with again), some disagree and follow the Grunerite fantasy that it's yet to come. I don't believe its fruitful to keep all of our faith in the hope for a worldly utopia when we are warned against such hopes time and time again by Our Lord.




    I'm glad you mentioned this.  It is an important topic that should be debated in an open trad forum.

    Dr. Sungenis has joined the side of the Dimonds' to debunk the Fatima Consecration devotion.

    Would it be possible to debate this on Cathinfo, with Matthew organizing the two debate teams, setting the rules and acting as the moderator?


    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: The Great Monarch Arrives (in China)!
    « Reply #26 on: June 22, 2022, 06:32:46 AM »
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  • Besides there is nothing in this thread to infer that this brave young man is, or claims  to be, the Great Monarch, except for the title Sean gave it.
    Yes.  But I think the fact that this is what happened is why some have posted concerns about jumping to prophecies which may or may not be true. 

    Having said that, Jacob Pius' introduction post is very interesting.  Unfortunately, it's only as of 2018.  
    How much longer Lord?

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    Re: The Great Monarch Arrives (in China)!
    « Reply #27 on: June 22, 2022, 07:38:48 AM »
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  • I'm glad you mentioned this.  It is an important topic that should be debated in an open trad forum.

    Dr. Sungenis has joined the side of the Dimonds' to debunk the Fatima Consecration devotion.

    Would it be possible to debate this on Cathinfo, with Matthew organizing the two debate teams, setting the rules and acting as the moderator?

    I completely disagree with the Dimonds and believe that the Consecration is yet to come, that it'll take place at the darkest hour and result in a miraculous turnaround, a triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary and the Church.

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    « Reply #28 on: June 22, 2022, 08:02:34 AM »
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  • Not to divulge much from the topic at hand, but is actually through my research concerning Russia's status as a crypto-Communist state that further convinces me that the Consecration has not been done.
    Not condemning research, but lamenting that so many have been bamboozled by pro-Russian Fatimism. You've done a great job.

    I completely disagree with the Dimonds and believe that the Consecration is yet to come, that it'll take place at the darkest hour and result in a miraculous turnaround, a triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary and the Church.
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    Re: The Great Monarch Arrives (in China)!
    « Reply #29 on: June 22, 2022, 10:37:39 AM »
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  • Is there text in Book of Apocalypse inferring or stating a "great monarch" a la the Catholic prophesies is coming?