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The Great Monarch Arrives (in China)!
« on: June 20, 2022, 12:11:04 PM »
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  • Jacob Pius: Chinese “Traditionalist Catholic” Remains in Jail
    06/17/2022LAI MINGXIA

    https://bitterwinter.org/jacob-pius-chinese-traditionalist-catholic-jailed/ 

    A young Catholic with a sense of humor proposed to establish a traditional Catholic monarchy in a part of China. The CCP was not amused. He was arrested in January 2021 and is still in prison.
    by Lai Mingxia*


    *Massimo Introvigne contributed details on the non-Chinese movements mentioned by “Jacob Pius”
    Proposed coat of arms of the traditional Catholic monarchy of Yuyencia, designed by Jacob Pius. From Weibo.Proposed coat of arms of the traditional Catholic monarchy of Yuyencia, designed by Jacob Pius. From Weibo.


    “Viva Cristo Rey.” The slogan was the symbol of the Cristero ιnѕυrrєcтισn of 1926 against the anti-clerical Mexican Republic, and resonates with conservative Catholics throughout the world to this very day. To hear it repeated in China in the 21st century is another matter entirely.

    In 2014, a young man signing “Jacob Pius” surfaced in Chinese social media advocating for the independence of a “country” he called Yuyencia (幽燕西亚), which would include part of present-day Hebei, Beijing, and Tianjin. He supported the creation of Yuyencia with theories about the mythical Chinese first dynasty Xia.


    His arguments appeared so far-fetched that many suspected they were proposed tongue-in-cheek, although the young man should have been aware that advocating separatism in China is not a matter for jokes but a crime punished with heavy jail penalties.


    In subsequent years, “Jacob Pius” explained that, although other religions will be tolerated, Yuyencia will have Roman Catholicism as the state religion and will be ruled according to the model of traditional Catholic monarchies.

    “Jacob” mentioned the 19th and early 20th century French monarchist theorists and the traditionalist Carlist branch of the monarchist movement in Spain as his sources of inspiration. He also stated that present-day Catholicism is largely contaminated by the “modernist heresy” and will not be able to supply the official state doctrine of Yuyencia. This will rather be “traditionalist” Catholicism. Again, this was totally unusual in China—and dangerous, since advocating “counter-revolutionary” ideologies is also a crime.
    Proposed flag of the kingdom of Yuyencia.

    Proposed flag of the kingdom of Yuyencia.

    Some netizens doubted that “Jacob Pius” was serious. Others believed it had derived his ideas from Liu Zhongjing, who emerged on the web in the early 2000 and was known by the nickname “Auntie” (阿姨). His ideology was called “Auntology” and was inspired by German nationalist philosopher Oswald Spengler, who died in 1936. Liu theorized that China, since the Qing, had become a fallen project, and it would be preferable that it disintegrates into autonomous independent states, whose borders can be reconstructed based on ancient Chinese history. Some of his remarks were racist and anti-Islamic, and Liu expressed his admiration for European right-wing and anti-immigration parties.


    The fact that he was not put in jail and, while criticized, even invited to debate CCP scholars, is evidence of the limited tolerance that existed before Xi Jinping—and at the same time of the fact that Liu’s brand of right-wing extremism was not regarded as really dangerous. When Xi Jinpingcame to power, Liu was smart enough to see the writing on the wall on time and escape to the United States.


    “Jacob Pius,” however, remained in China. “Gao Yang” is a Catholic human rights activist who was interviewed by Hong Kong and Western media in 2019 and 2020 under this assumed name, and supplied information about the persecution in Hebei of Catholic “conscientious objectors” who rejected the Vatican-China deal of 2018. Bitter Winter has learned that “Jacob Pius” and “Gao Yang” are one and the same person. His real name is Pang Jian, and he was born in Baoding city, Hebei province, in 1991. He is a resident of Gaobeidian, a county-level city under the jurisdiction of Baoding city, and has published as “Gao Yang” on Hebei history and folklore.
    Pang Jian, aka “Jacob Pius.” From Weibo.Pang Jian, aka “Jacob Pius.” From Weibo.


    That Pang Jian alias Gao Yang alias Jacob Pius is a conservative Catholic is true, although where he derived his passion for European Catholic monarchist and counter-revolutionary Catholicism from remains unclear. It is also difficult to distinguish what theories he advocates seriously, and what he just proposes as paradoxes and social experiments of sort.


    On these matters, however, the CCP always prefers to be on the safer side. On January 15, 2021, Pang was detained by the Gaobeidian police, and taken to the Gaobeidian Detention Center. On January 28, 2021, he was formally arrested and charged with “separatism,” a very serious offense. His friends have no information about his trial, if any, although it is believed it is still in the Gaobeidian prison.


    The independence of Yuyencia may have been a joke. But the CCP reaction is deadly serious.

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    Re: The Great Monarch Arrives in China)!
    « Reply #1 on: June 20, 2022, 12:13:09 PM »
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  • I think I know this guy. There was a poster, a young guy, can't recall which forums he was on, but whenever I spoke with him privately he identified himself as Jacob Pius. 
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).


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    « Reply #2 on: June 20, 2022, 12:25:16 PM »
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  • I think I know this guy. There was a poster, a young guy, can't recall which forums he was on, but whenever I spoke with him privately he identified himself as Jacob Pius.

    That’d be him.
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    Re: The Great Monarch Arrives (in China)!
    « Reply #3 on: June 20, 2022, 12:32:23 PM »
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  • Works for me.  Far better than what they have now in China.

    Perhaps after the Three Days of Darkness, if there is indeed to be such a thing, the world can be reconstituted with Catholic monarchies.  That need not be thought of as an exclusively European thing.  

    Kigeli V of Rwanda was a traditional Catholic, and here's your fun fact for today, I once lived in the same high-rise apartment building, in northern Virginia, as HM did, apartment right above mine.  He was 7 feet tall, I don't know how I didn't notice him.  I worked long hours and was going to school nights, maybe our paths just never crossed.

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    « Reply #4 on: June 20, 2022, 12:52:10 PM »
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  • I think I know this guy. There was a poster, a young guy, can't recall which forums he was on, but whenever I spoke with him privately he identified himself as Jacob Pius.

    See 5th profile down:

    https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/introduce-yourself!/900/
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    Re: The Great Monarch Arrives (in China)!
    « Reply #5 on: June 20, 2022, 01:01:24 PM »
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  • For some reason, I cannot get the text to paste here, so you need to go to the link above to read his profile.

    The blog cited there about his Kingdom of Yuyencia has been disabled (probably by the Chi-coms).
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    Re: The Great Monarch Arrives (in China)!
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  • https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/introduce-yourself!/900/


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    My name is Jacob Pius, Jacob ”is my baptized name,“Pius”is my confirmation name that is ready to use it in future. The Christian name, is follow Helping Spanish expel Muslims from St. James the Great, and defend to the traditional Catholic beliefs St. Pius X Pope against Modernism.
    I come from Northern China, where was the ancient Yan Kingdom's Dugang place. It is located in Baoding City in the south of Beijing and west of Tianjin. I am 26 years old (born on July 22, 1992), and was born in a pagan family in the countryside. My ancestors may be nomadic tribes from the Eurasian steppe. parents believe in polytheism or Buddhism, My grandfather had joined the Communist Party, But my uncle-grandfather (my maternal grandmother's brother) was an armed militia called "White neck" who resisted the invasion of the Communist Party in his hometown in the 1940s, Later, after the battle for protecting his hometown away from communist was defeated, he had been killed by Communist. Currently, there are 4 people in my family: my parents, my brother and me. My current job is painting and design. Although I am from the North China, But I am not a Chinese. I think my nation(ethnic group) should be a Yuyencian. I support and join the Yuyencia independence movement (see Twitter @Yuyencian about this political event).
    The Yuyencia Church is the largest part of China Catholic, not only in its longest history, but also in the largest number of people, the most Priest, and the most determined areas against the Chinese Communist Party’s religious policy. (about Yuyencia Loyalty Church See: https://yuyencia.wordpress.com/2018/04/09/%E5%B9%BD%E7%87%95%E6%95%99%E4%BC%9A%E7%9A%84% E4%BA%94%E6%AC%A1%E8%80%83%E9%AA%8Chave-english-version/ )In this still highly centralized communist country, It is a real faith fortress, Is the key to spreading the Catholic faith throughout East Asia, never be defeated by the enemy.  But you are also clear, our universal church is now facing an unprecedented crisis, Vatican II Modernism Firmly Controls the Holy See, those Vatican officials became apostates, now it is going to betray the Loyalty church in my hometown, Signed an agreement with the Chinese Communist Party, And let the two countries that can’t coexist with each other establish diplomatic relations. This is a historic end to the Loyalty church in my hometown, but I also think this is a turning point in the recovery. Because many years ago, The priests of the faithful church were smitten by the Vatican of modernism. many people, including Bishop Fan Xueyan, nothing is known about the dangers of Vatican II, Because at the time of Vatican II, they are all in isolated prisons, In the iron curtain of the Communist Party, Information flow is inconvenient. But because of it, When they revived the church in the 80's, Persistence and spread are the pre-Vatican II Catholic beliefs, Including the ritual of consecrate bishops and priests. Until the late 1990s, Modernism began to spread in churches in my hometown, mainly in the liturgical reform, completely changed to Mandarin. But because of the conservation of the church in his hometown, for a long time we do not allow many outrageous exaggeration of innovative experiments. Until recent years, Modernism was formally impact, Mostly because most of the old bishops and priests who had received formal education pre-Vatican II had passed away.Because of the limitations of the environment under Communist rule, Tradition does not spread well to the next generation of clergy. Many of these young priests have accepted a modernist mission organization called the "disciple class(门徒班)", Everywhere to learn the Bible and the revival of the Divine grace spreading heresies, their harm is getting bigger and bigger. And in the Loyalty church of Novus Ordo,  only few people recognizing the dangers of Vatican II and turn to traditional camps, mainly because of the lack of traditional missionaries.
    Beginning in 2014, after I got rid of the trap of the New Age and the Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ Thought, I began to accept the Catholic faith. At that time, I still couldn't notice the problem of Vatican II and the tradition, but the team was on the side of the loyal church. Later, I have a deep understanding of the Vatican II conference and modernism, Especially through the docuмentary of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, also know the opposition such as SSPX, but at the beginning I was supporting all traditionalists, does not oppose the compromise between SSPX and the Modernist Vatican, nor does it oppose FSSP's surrender, I didn’t go to church in the open church(CCPA) to participate in mass after that, just go to the underground church near my home. In 2016, because I was very active on the internet at the time, spread the knowledge of many Catholic traditions, so I met more and more supporters of the traditional, after the introduction of one of them, In the fall of this year, I started to contact the priest of SSPX for the first time, first time to participate in the traditional Latin Mass, So I also started to plan for the SSPX priest to baptize me with traditional ritual, It also reduced contact with the underground church on my home. However, the SSPX priest enters the mainland only once a year for no more than ten times,  so the plan for baptism was delayed until the winter of 2017, Fr. O agreed to baptize me in June this year. After more than a month of preparation,I had a long journey of nearly 50 days. I walked about 2,500km by bicycle. Mainly to some pilgrimage sites in the Yuyencia. Visited more than 60 churches. June 5, 2018, I passed the sacred baptism in the secret room of a hotel, formally became a Catholic.
    In the summer of 2017, I was almost expelled by SSPX, because the head of SSPX in mainland China knows that my position is biased towards the Sedevacantism and supports the Resistance movement of Bishop Williamson. I also oppose the cooperation of SSPX and the Patriotic Association(CPCA), but In order to be able to baptize, I later did not cause conflict with them.
    I learned about the internal division of SSPX before, I support the Bishop Williamson, SSPX really should not have too much contact with the modernist church in the current situation, the agreement between them is like the agreement between the Vatican and the Chinese Communist Party, is full of evil, cannot be confused by the tradition of restoration that Benedict XVI once had, he could be honest, but many liberals Vatican bureaucracy actually wanted to drive a wedge between the Society, the hostile relationship has not changed, do not naive, too close to the Vatican will only bring deeper danger to SSPX, so I fully support the idea that Bishop Williamson ignored the Vatican and missionary independently, but I really don’t want to see the SSPX split more and more, hope SSPX executives will be wise, recognize the status quo and return to the right path.  about Sedevacantist, Because I do not have the knowledge of theology and Canon law, so temporarily I can't understand which is correct, But I think as long as they have no problem with the teaching and ritual of tradition, can ignore them. Even if it's correct, this small group mentality can not solve the problem, In particular, most ordinary members of the church do not understand these complex issues, It's not easy for most people to maintain their traditional beliefs, whether the pope is the real, actually not important, we will do as required by Archbishop Lefebvre, as long as the Vatican does not return to normal, we do not have dealings with them, the two sides remain parallel relationship on the line, So as to guarantee the stability of the internal SSPX, not interfered with by modernists, this missionary independence is very important in the current crisis.
    Now, I am plan to go to the seminary, so I want find more knowledge in here.
    Patience is a conquering virtue. The learned say that, if it not desert you, It vanquishes what force can never reach; Why answer back at every angry speech? No, learn forbearance or, I'll tell you what, You will be taught it, whether you will or not.
    -Geoffrey Chaucer

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    Re: The Great Monarch Arrives (in China)!
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    In the fall of this year, I started to contact the priest of SSPX for the first time, first time to participate in the traditional Latin Mass, So I also started to plan for the SSPX priest to baptize me with traditional ritual, It also reduced contact with the underground church on my home. However, the SSPX priest enters the mainland only once a year for no more than ten times,  so the plan for baptism was delayed until the winter of 2017
    I'm curious about the SSPX in China, but it's probably not wise to have a public discussion about it.
    Patience is a conquering virtue. The learned say that, if it not desert you, It vanquishes what force can never reach; Why answer back at every angry speech? No, learn forbearance or, I'll tell you what, You will be taught it, whether you will or not.
    -Geoffrey Chaucer


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    Re: The Great Monarch Arrives (in China)!
    « Reply #8 on: June 20, 2022, 02:22:54 PM »
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  • So far as the am aware, Jacob Pius is the first CI member arrested by a government for his Catholic Faith.
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  • Interesting statement there implying some kind of cooperation between SSPX and CCPA?

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  • So far as the am aware, Jacob Pius is the first CI member arrested by a government for his Catholic Faith.

    He likely will not be the last.


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  • https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/introduce-yourself!/900/
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    That's him!
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    I was wondering where he'd been. A communist prison wasn't what I expected the answer to be. 
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    Very mild mannered young man with lots of conviction. Also very smart. He and I discussed lengthy and relatively successful translation efforts of his. 
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    « Reply #12 on: June 20, 2022, 02:49:32 PM »
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  • Guy sounds like just another internet crank. I'm sorry he's in prison, though, he sounds like a good guy.

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    That's him!
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    I was wondering where he'd been. A communist prison wasn't what I expected the answer to be.
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    Very mild mannered young man with lots of conviction. Also very smart. He and I discussed lengthy and relatively successful translation efforts of his.

    I was able to find the Chinese version of his blog.  About 2/3 of the way down, he has extended English translations (ie., the last 1/3 of the blog is pics, so when you hit those, just start scrolling back towards the top, and you’ll hit the English portions):

    https://yuyencia.wordpress.com 

    At a glance, a few things become evident:

    1) He is a very learned “Chinese” historian. 

    2) I put “Chinese” in quotes, because he  would take exception to being called Chinese:

    The whole blog is about the history of Yuyencia, the Chinese aggressors, and anti communist material.  He basically denies his former ancient kingdom of Yuyencia is part of China.

    3) It is no joke.  He’s a dead-serious separatist, and that’s going to land you in hot water with the commies. 
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    Re: The Great Monarch Arrives in China)!
    « Reply #14 on: June 20, 2022, 04:32:09 PM »
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  • See 5th profile down:

    https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/introduce-yourself!/900/
    Amazing young man, very inspiring story.  I will definitely be praying for him.  Thanks for finding this
    please pray for me