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Offline Quid Retribuam Domino

Re: The Age of Fatima
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2019, 01:36:09 PM »
Quote from: ggreg on January 08, 2019, 03:15:08 AM
That is then a misleading statement, since it contains the word always, which is superfluous to its meaning regardless of what one sticks on the end.  Does Our Lady not know Portuguese grammar?

I don't doubt that Our Lady appeared at Fatima, but the message and secrets are dubious because of human error in passing it "down the grapevine" and it becoming truncated in parts. Why would Our Lady appear at Fatima and render these messages, if what was actually said, and its meaning, was going to be edited, distorted and lost? It defies logic, but maybe there is a more personal reason for those directly involved in the apparition. Also, God works in ways that we can't understand.

I agree with you about Russia.

Regarding the imposter "Lucia", maybe they used her to be the ambassador for the Fatima enterprise because she would bring in the most money and interest, rather than her memory (after the real Lucia is αssαssιnαtҽd or exiled until her death).

The questions about her family and convent members not speaking out about the imposter are valid questions.
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Offline ggreg

Re: The Age of Fatima
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2019, 04:43:52 PM »
Conceivably, how much money did Fatima bring to the Church?

I would think it was trivial compared to property portfolios and rent on them that the Vatican controls.

To the town of Fatima perhaps, hotels, tourism brought in some useful income, but how much did the Church make out of it?  It wasn't a massive centre of Pilgrimage after Vatican II.  I think Lourdes was larger.

A doppelganger would have to be sanctioned and organised pretty high up as it would have a risk of being exposed and be HUGELY embarrassing were it to be exposed.  I can't see the mayor of Fatima and the local bishop necromancing up a fake Sister Lucia realistically, can you?
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Offline ggreg

Re: The Age of Fatima
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2019, 04:52:08 PM »
Quote from: Nadir on January 08, 2019, 04:29:45 AM
Surely we don't notice! Are we believe that, because the MSM is not talking about it, that it doesn't happen that the good are martyred. Are we to believe that in the 21 century there  are fewer  martyrs than in previous ages?
https://acnuk.org/china/
https://www.ucanews.com/news/cardinal-zen-calls-on-beijing-to-end-religious-persecution/75856
I think there probably are fewer.
 In the Boxer Rebellion of 1900, many priests, nuns, catechists and some 30,000 Chinese converts to Christianity were killed. Some were children. Many were killed in the church in which they were taking refuge in the village of Tchou-Kia-ho.  That was 17 years before Fatima.
The MSM can cover up one or two, but if there was a wholesale slaughter in China of more than 30,000 Catholics it would get out.  Very hard to hide stuff like that today.  There are a lot of right wing evangelicals who would publicize it if for no other reason than to bash the Chinese commies.
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Offline Quid Retribuam Domino

Re: The Age of Fatima
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2019, 05:10:37 PM »
How many of the Assyrians and Armenians were Catholic when they were genocided by the Turkroaches?

Same with the 10 million Ukrainians killed off by Jew Lazar Kaganovich. According to Wiki, around 7.5% Ukrainians, today, are Catholic, so for argument sake, let's say that in the 1930s, 7.5 % of Ukrainians were Catholic. Statistically, it's plausible that 750,000 (7.5% of 10 million) Catholics died in Holodomor h0Ɩ0cαųst. The core reason these people were genocided by the Jew atheist Kaganovich was because they professed the Name of Jesus Christ.

Wouldn't these Catholics be martyrs, if they died because of their Faith?
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Offline ggreg

Re: The Age of Fatima
« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2019, 05:20:54 PM »
No idea how to discover that, but I am pretty sure MOST of them were orthodox.  Besides that started in 1915.

Also I am not sure whether they were martyrs.  They were killed because they were Armenians and even when they renounced the faith and converted to Islam the Turks still killed them.

Toynbee and various other sources report that many Armenians were spared death by marrying into Turkish families or converting to Islam. Concerned that Westerners would come to regard the "extermination of the Armenians" as "a black stain on the history of Islam, which the ages will not efface", El-Ghusein also observes that many Armenian converts were put to death.[38]:39 In one instance, when an Islamic leader appealed to spare Armenian converts to Islam, El-Ghusein quotes a government official as responding that "politics have no religion", before sending the converts to their deaths
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