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Offline King Wenceslas

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The Age of Fatima
« on: December 27, 2018, 03:26:33 PM »
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  • The age of Fatima has truly arrived:


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    The Portuguese website "Observador", one of the most important news and opinion websites in the country, published a special Christmas interview with the Bishop of the most populous diocese in Portugal, Oporto (Porto), Manuel Linda, and another theologian, a priest called Anselmo Borges. [Update: the wicked bishop has tried to hide his declarations by adding "clarifications" to the original piece; therefore, in order to preserve historical record, the original piece has been posted in our Repository.]

    In it, they dismantle all "myths" related to Christmas, including its December date ("probably September"...), but the greatest scandal of all is the direct attack on several Dogmas related to the divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ and the purity of His Immaculate Mother, the Blessed Virgin Mary.

    The main passages are translated below (tip: local reader):

    "He [Christ] was conceived by Mary and Joseph as any other person... Virginity is only associated with Mary as a metaphor to prove that Jesus was a very special person." ...

    The Bishop of Oporto tells the Observador website that, "we should never refer to the physical virginity of Mary." "The Old Testament says many times that Jesus was to be born of a maiden, a daughter of Israel, who was simple, poor, and humble. But this is truly just a reference to the full devotion of this woman to God.The gift of being mother of God was given to Mary because she had an undivided heart. What matters is full giving of herself,"explains Bp Manuel Linda.

    And he adds, "There certainly are women with a ruptured hymen who are more virgin in the sense of full devotion to God than some with an intact hymen."

    RORATE: in better days, this heretic and blasphemer would be thrown out of his place by enraged Catholics, thrown into the sea for such grievous offenses against Our Lord, the All-Holy Virgin, and Holy Mother Church. Where's the Catholic laity of Portugal?

    Linda was named auxiliary bishop of Braga by Benedict XVI in 2009, and was named Military Ordinary of Portugal by Francis in 2013, and again named by Francis this year as the titular bishop of Oporto, one of the most prestigious positions in the nation of Fatima
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    Direct open denial of the Virgin birth. Boom. No longer a Catholic bishop. Or do we have to wait around for a higher authority to tell us that he is no longer a member of the Church. Hmmmmm.

    Wonder how many other Bishops believe this? A semi truck load of them I would bet. You know all those ones that have that special proclivity that we have been hearing about lately.

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    Re: The Age of Fatima
    « Reply #1 on: December 30, 2018, 04:56:04 PM »
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  • The evils are working hard to throw out "miracles", the "supernatural" which is true.  These evil workings want only secular notions and to bring about hatred to catholicism.


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    Re: The Age of Fatima
    « Reply #2 on: January 07, 2019, 08:29:09 AM »
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  • So what does the "Dogma of the Faith will always be preserved" mean?

    Portugal is as un-Catholic and apostate as anywhere else in Europe.  Has one of the lowest birthrates in Europe.  Has homosexual "marriage". It showed absolutely ZERO resistance to Vatican II and the loss of the faith thereafter.  France did better and has a much large contingent of Traditionalists.

    This prophecy was as incorrect as Joey Lomangino "getting his eyes back on the day of the miracle".

    It's one thing not understanding a prophecy, but in the case of both of these prophecies we understand that they are false.

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    Re: The Age of Fatima
    « Reply #3 on: January 07, 2019, 02:23:26 PM »
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  • So what does the "Dogma of the Faith will always be preserved" mean?

    Portugal is as un-Catholic and apostate as anywhere else in Europe.  Has one of the lowest birthrates in Europe.  Has homosexual "marriage". It showed absolutely ZERO resistance to Vatican II and the loss of the faith thereafter.  France did better and has a much large contingent of Traditionalists.

    This prophecy was as incorrect as Joey Lomangino "getting his eyes back on the day of the miracle".

    It's one thing not understanding a prophecy, but in the case of both of these prophecies we understand that they are false.
    Every country has its apostates. 
    There are Faithful Catholics in Fatima praying for the restoration of The Church as any other place in the world. Who knows the bishops, priests and laity maintaining It there? Those working diligently for Our Lady and her requests? Some of these things are hidden from us for a reason. 

    The cornerstone of St Peter was transferred to Fatima as a symbolic message that either the Faith is being protected there for a time, or it will be a permanent new location of the Papacy.

    Our duty is to continue praying for the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart  :pray:

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    Re: The Age of Fatima
    « Reply #4 on: January 07, 2019, 04:13:52 PM »
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  • So what does the "Dogma of the Faith will always be preserved" mean?

    Nobody knows what it really means because that statement is part of a longer sentence that is cut off. The true context is lost except for the Church's "brass" who were told all of the secrets and full message.

    That's why I don't pay attention to the Fatima Center or any other Fatima enterprise (that's essentially what it is) that revolves around speculation about the Secrets and message. It's become like a cult, too. These cultists place Fatima over the Apocalypse of St. John.

    What is concretely told is good enough for me, and it's obviously come to pass and still happening - the world wars, diseases, Marxism spreading across the globe, apostasy in the Church, etc.
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    International Women's Day is a day we all celebrate Eve's rebellion at the Tree and our plummet into sin.


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    Re: The Age of Fatima
    « Reply #5 on: January 07, 2019, 08:31:03 PM »
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  • This prophecy was as incorrect as Joey Lomangino "getting his eyes back on the day of the miracle".

    Fatima, or Garabandal?

    http://www.mysticsofthechurch.com/2014/06/the-death-of-joey-lomangino-blow-to.html



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    The passing of Joseph Lomangino on the anniversary of the first apparition and also the last public message of Garabandal
     6/18/2014- Lindenhurst, New York.
     June 18, 2014 has marked the passing of Joseph "Joey" Lomangino, precisely 53 years ago to the day of the first alleged heavenly apparition (June 18, 1961) to four young girls in Garabandal, Spain.


    2 Corinthians 4:3-4

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.

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    Re: The Age of Fatima
    « Reply #6 on: January 07, 2019, 08:57:21 PM »
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  • The age of Fatima has truly arrived:


    Direct open denial of the Virgin birth. Boom. No longer a Catholic bishop. Or do we have to wait around for a higher authority to tell us that he is no longer a member of the Church. Hmmmmm.

    Wonder how many other Bishops believe this? A semi truck load of them I would bet. You know all those ones that have that special proclivity that we have been hearing about lately.
    They are not even valid priests, let alone bishops! The only thing these articles are good for is to show the few Novus Ordos of good will that the people they follow are not even Catholic.
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: The Age of Fatima
    « Reply #7 on: January 07, 2019, 11:08:06 PM »
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  • The Bishop of Oporto is undoubtedly, a manifest, public heretic. The dogma of the Perpetual Virginity of Our Lady is one of the four infallibly defined Marian dogmas of our Catholic Faith. It has been held since the Second Council of Constantinople in the IV century. To deny that Our Lady was always a Virgin before, during, and after the birth of Jesus Christ is a diabolical blasphemy.

    Our Dear Lady, Most Holy, is Ever Virgin and this is not a metaphor, but a biological reality. Her immaculate body did not suffer any physical injury in giving birth to Jesus.

    Shame on this heretic!
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.


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    Re: The Age of Fatima
    « Reply #8 on: January 08, 2019, 02:27:31 AM »
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  • Russia will spread its errors throughout the world, raising up wars and persecutions against the Church. The good will be martyred, the Holy Father will have much to suffer, and various nations will be annihilated.”


    So far the Church has mostly persecuted itself.  I have not seen persecutions that can be laid at the feet of Russia.  Modernism was around at the time of Pius Xth and survived and came back at Vatican II.  But that wasnt't Russia.  Those Pope were Italian, Polish, German and Argentinian,

    Few wars have been started by Russia in the last 100 years.  Revolutions yes, but not many wars.  Compared to wars started by the USA, UK, Israel, Japan, Middle Eastern countries.

    Afghanistan and Indochina are two wars that can be laid squarely at the feet of Russia.  Perhaps China and WW 2 but that is closely tied to Japanese invasion as well.  In the grand scheme of wars of the 20th Century can we particularly single out Russia as the culprit?

    I thought most of you believed it was the Jewish International Bankers who caused the wars.

    The good have not been martyred.  Not in any significant numbers where they stand out from most other centuries.   Sure, Russia martyred Orthodox priests and nuns (mostly).  But they are heretics, they are not conceivably "the good", other than they died for their schismatic version of Christianity.  If the good are martyred, surely we notice don't we?  Does the martyrdom of the good not imply an event where a sizeable number of "the good", presumeably faithful baptised Catholics, are martyred.

    What is the point of prophecy if we have to intrepret and retrofit it to get it to work.  Just say, "Rome will lose the faith and become the seat of the Antichrist".  That DID happen and we can all agree it happened.

    Now, all of this COULD BE in the future.  Perhaps Vladimir Putin, or his successor, or his successor, is really secretly very evil and invades Europe and attacks a Church that is newly restoring and bringing back Tradition.  Perhaps, but right now it looks like Russia is resisting the evil more than spreading it.  Churches are being built in Russia (albeit Orthdox ones)m family life is being encouraged, abortion discouraged and it is one of the few places on earth where sodomites don't rule the day.

    It appears to me that in order to defend Fatima we do all sorts of interpretation and selective reading and invent two-sister lucy theories, when at face value it is more innaccurate than accurate.

    To me, the most damning part of Fatima is the fact that Sister Lucia went along with the modernist changes and slobbered over JP2's hands in the most fawning way in June 2000.  Obviously, the doppleganger theory gets around this which is why it gets traction with some (but not most) Traditionalists, but having studied it I see no credibility or strong evidence for it.  There are unanswered flaws such as why all of the other sisters in the convent did not notice that a person had been swapped out for a doppleganger, or Lucia's family members or indeed what the Church gained by it for the HUGE risk of potential exposure, when compared to simply suiciding sister lucia in 1972 and saying she has died of natural causes.  The doppleganger didn't really do anything.  Sister Lucia simply dying (being killed) would be much less risky and still serve to take the spotlight off Fatima.

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    Re: The Age of Fatima
    « Reply #9 on: January 08, 2019, 02:59:59 AM »
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  • Fatima, or Garabandal?

    http://www.mysticsofthechurch.com/2014/06/the-death-of-joey-lomangino-blow-to.html
    I was commenting that if "Portugal will ALWAYS retain the dogma of the faith" has any meaning in light of modern day apostate Portugal, then Joey Lomangino dying blind could, theoretically, not falsify Garabandal.
    God could after all resurrect Joey from the dead and restore his sight on the day of the miracle.  And likewise we could find out that there is a massive secret underground network of Traditionalists in Portugal with their own secret priests and bishops who have been keeping the faith since 1965 and marrying their sons and daughters to each other.
    But judged by what is reasonable and visible neither such event seems very likely.
    Prophecies are for man to judge with his own senses.  If we had supernatural perception we wouldn't need them.

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    Re: The Age of Fatima
    « Reply #10 on: January 08, 2019, 03:15:08 AM »
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  • That is then a misleading statement, since it contains the word always, which is superfluous to its meaning regardless of what one sticks on the end.  Does Our Lady not know Portuguese grammar?
    Take out the word "always" and the statement is MORE accurate with ANY extension to the text.
    The Dogma of the Faith was perserved no better in Portugal than any other European country. Portugal's birthrate is below the UKs. Portugal has abortion and the legal marriage of sodomites.
    It wasn't "always", it was a mere 50 years.



    always
    /ˈɔːlweɪz,ˈɔːlweɪz/
    adverb
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      at all times; on all occasions.
      "the sun always rises in the east"
      synonyms:every time, each time, at all times, all the time, on every occasion, on all occasions, consistentlyinvariably, without fail, without exception, regularlyrepeatedlyhabituallyunfailingly, infallibly, inevitably More


    • 2.
      as a last resort; failing all else.
      "if the marriage doesn't work out, we can always get divorced"
      synonyms:as a last resort, whatever the circumstances, no matter what, in any event, in any case, come what may
      "you can always take it back to the shop"


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    Re: The Age of Fatima
    « Reply #11 on: January 08, 2019, 03:30:53 AM »
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  • That is then a misleading statement...
    Greg!  Hey man!  Good reading your posts again!  You're the man.  
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    Re: The Age of Fatima
    « Reply #12 on: January 08, 2019, 04:29:45 AM »
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    The good have not been martyred.  Not in any significant numbers where they stand out from most other centuries.   ... If the good are martyred, surely we notice don't we?  Does the martyrdom of the good not imply an event where a sizeable number of "the good", presumeably faithful baptised Catholics, are martyred.
    Surely we don't notice! Are we believe that, because the MSM is not talking about it, that it doesn't happen that the good are martyred. Are we to believe that in the 21 century there  are fewer  martyrs than in previous ages?
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    https://www.ucanews.com/news/cardinal-zen-calls-on-beijing-to-end-religious-persecution/75856

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    Re: The Age of Fatima
    « Reply #13 on: January 08, 2019, 10:00:22 AM »
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  • Russia is divided and we won’t find the truth about it on Fox evening news. 

    From an article published yesterday on Traditioninaction and for informational purposes only:

    Habitually the Western man has a distorted idea of this reality. He believes that the “orthodox” form a single church with a coherent and cohesive doctrine. This is not true. In Ukraine there are three different schismatic churches that have almost always been linked to the communists of the Kremlin since the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution. 

    Recently the news spread that the Schismatic Church of Ukraine is declaring its independence from the Russian Church and uniting the three schismatic Ukrainian Churches. These three Churches had always fought one another, each one pretending to be the “true Orthodox” Ukrainian Church. Why now have they reached a pacific union? Why only now have they declared that they no longer can receive orders from Moscow’s Patriarch Kirill, a known KGB agent who is obedient to the rulers of the Kremlin? 

    https://traditioninaction.org/History/F_010_Ukraine.html

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    Re: The Age of Fatima
    « Reply #14 on: January 08, 2019, 12:43:01 PM »
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  • The Roman Church is no less divided.

    The point is simple, let's consider Russia at a street level an everyday level where you interact with your neighbours is a lot less degenerate than European countries.

    They are not politically correct.

    You are free you have an opinion about most things.

    There's religious freedom provided you are not proselytizing in public.

    The President of the country is often seen performing openly Christian acts.

    Women dress as women, men as men.

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    Russia is far from perfect.  But it is a LOT better than at any time in the last 102 years and improving.

    I visit every 18 months for 2 weeks on average and a have Russians staying at my house most months of the year.  I watch Russia news (not just RT, but documentaries and I can see the nature of the TV is more wholesome than it used to be).

     

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