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Title: The Age of Fatima
Post by: King Wenceslas on December 27, 2018, 03:26:33 PM
The age of Fatima has truly arrived:


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The Portuguese website "Observador", one of the most important news and opinion websites in the country, published a special Christmas interview with the Bishop of the most populous diocese in Portugal, Oporto (Porto), Manuel Linda, and another theologian, a priest called Anselmo Borges. [Update: the wicked bishop has tried to hide his declarations by adding "clarifications" to the original piece; therefore, in order to preserve historical record, the original piece has been posted in our Repository.]

In it, they dismantle all "myths" related to Christmas, including its December date ("probably September"...), but the greatest scandal of all is the direct attack on several Dogmas related to the divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ and the purity of His Immaculate Mother, the Blessed Virgin Mary.

The main passages are translated below (tip: local reader):

"He [Christ] was conceived by Mary and Joseph as any other person... Virginity is only associated with Mary as a metaphor to prove that Jesus was a very special person." ...

The Bishop of Oporto tells the Observador website that, "we should never refer to the physical virginity of Mary." "The Old Testament says many times that Jesus was to be born of a maiden, a daughter of Israel, who was simple, poor, and humble. But this is truly just a reference to the full devotion of this woman to God.The gift of being mother of God was given to Mary because she had an undivided heart. What matters is full giving of herself,"explains Bp Manuel Linda.

And he adds, "There certainly are women with a ruptured hymen who are more virgin in the sense of full devotion to God than some with an intact hymen."

RORATE: in better days, this heretic and blasphemer would be thrown out of his place by enraged Catholics, thrown into the sea for such grievous offenses against Our Lord, the All-Holy Virgin, and Holy Mother Church. Where's the Catholic laity of Portugal?

Linda was named auxiliary bishop of Braga by Benedict XVI in 2009, and was named Military Ordinary of Portugal by Francis in 2013, and again named by Francis this year as the titular bishop of Oporto, one of the most prestigious positions in the nation of Fatima
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Direct open denial of the Virgin birth. Boom. No longer a Catholic bishop. Or do we have to wait around for a higher authority to tell us that he is no longer a member of the Church. Hmmmmm.

Wonder how many other Bishops believe this? A semi truck load of them I would bet. You know all those ones that have that special proclivity that we have been hearing about lately.
Title: Re: The Age of Fatima
Post by: songbird on December 30, 2018, 04:56:04 PM
The evils are working hard to throw out "miracles", the "supernatural" which is true.  These evil workings want only secular notions and to bring about hatred to catholicism.
Title: Re: The Age of Fatima
Post by: ggreg on January 07, 2019, 08:29:09 AM
So what does the "Dogma of the Faith will always be preserved" mean?

Portugal is as un-Catholic and apostate as anywhere else in Europe.  Has one of the lowest birthrates in Europe.  Has homosexual "marriage". It showed absolutely ZERO resistance to Vatican II and the loss of the faith thereafter.  France did better and has a much large contingent of Traditionalists.

This prophecy was as incorrect as Joey Lomangino "getting his eyes back on the day of the miracle".

It's one thing not understanding a prophecy, but in the case of both of these prophecies we understand that they are false.
Title: Re: The Age of Fatima
Post by: Carissima on January 07, 2019, 02:23:26 PM
So what does the "Dogma of the Faith will always be preserved" mean?

Portugal is as un-Catholic and apostate as anywhere else in Europe.  Has one of the lowest birthrates in Europe.  Has homosexual "marriage". It showed absolutely ZERO resistance to Vatican II and the loss of the faith thereafter.  France did better and has a much large contingent of Traditionalists.

This prophecy was as incorrect as Joey Lomangino "getting his eyes back on the day of the miracle".

It's one thing not understanding a prophecy, but in the case of both of these prophecies we understand that they are false.
Every country has its apostates. 
There are Faithful Catholics in Fatima praying for the restoration of The Church as any other place in the world. Who knows the bishops, priests and laity maintaining It there? Those working diligently for Our Lady and her requests? Some of these things are hidden from us for a reason. 

The cornerstone of St Peter was transferred to Fatima as a symbolic message that either the Faith is being protected there for a time, or it will be a permanent new location of the Papacy.

Our duty is to continue praying for the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart  :pray:
Title: Re: The Age of Fatima
Post by: Quid Retribuam Domino on January 07, 2019, 04:13:52 PM
So what does the "Dogma of the Faith will always be preserved" mean?

Nobody knows what it really means because that statement is part of a longer sentence that is cut off. The true context is lost except for the Church's "brass" who were told all of the secrets and full message.

That's why I don't pay attention to the Fatima Center or any other Fatima enterprise (that's essentially what it is) that revolves around speculation about the Secrets and message. It's become like a cult, too. These cultists place Fatima over the Apocalypse of St. John.

What is concretely told is good enough for me, and it's obviously come to pass and still happening - the world wars, diseases, Marxism spreading across the globe, apostasy in the Church, etc.
Title: Re: The Age of Fatima
Post by: trad123 on January 07, 2019, 08:31:03 PM
This prophecy was as incorrect as Joey Lomangino "getting his eyes back on the day of the miracle".

Fatima, or Garabandal?

http://www.mysticsofthechurch.com/2014/06/the-death-of-joey-lomangino-blow-to.html



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The passing of Joseph Lomangino on the anniversary of the first apparition and also the last public message of Garabandal
 6/18/2014- Lindenhurst, New York.
 June 18, 2014 has marked the passing of Joseph "Joey" Lomangino, precisely 53 years ago to the day of the first alleged heavenly apparition (June 18, 1961) to four young girls in Garabandal, Spain.


Title: Re: The Age of Fatima
Post by: Last Tradhican on January 07, 2019, 08:57:21 PM
The age of Fatima has truly arrived:


Direct open denial of the Virgin birth. Boom. No longer a Catholic bishop. Or do we have to wait around for a higher authority to tell us that he is no longer a member of the Church. Hmmmmm.

Wonder how many other Bishops believe this? A semi truck load of them I would bet. You know all those ones that have that special proclivity that we have been hearing about lately.
They are not even valid priests, let alone bishops! The only thing these articles are good for is to show the few Novus Ordos of good will that the people they follow are not even Catholic.
Title: Re: The Age of Fatima
Post by: Cantarella on January 07, 2019, 11:08:06 PM
The Bishop of Oporto is undoubtedly, a manifest, public heretic. The dogma of the Perpetual Virginity of Our Lady is one of the four infallibly defined Marian dogmas of our Catholic Faith. It has been held since the Second Council of Constantinople in the IV century. To deny that Our Lady was always a Virgin before, during, and after the birth of Jesus Christ is a diabolical blasphemy.

Our Dear Lady, Most Holy, is Ever Virgin and this is not a metaphor, but a biological reality. Her immaculate body did not suffer any physical injury in giving birth to Jesus.

Shame on this heretic!
Title: Re: The Age of Fatima
Post by: ggreg on January 08, 2019, 02:27:31 AM


Russia will spread its errors throughout the world, raising up wars and persecutions against the Church. The good will be martyred, the Holy Father will have much to suffer, and various nations will be annihilated.”


So far the Church has mostly persecuted itself.  I have not seen persecutions that can be laid at the feet of Russia.  Modernism was around at the time of Pius Xth and survived and came back at Vatican II.  But that wasnt't Russia.  Those Pope were Italian, Polish, German and Argentinian,

Few wars have been started by Russia in the last 100 years.  Revolutions yes, but not many wars.  Compared to wars started by the USA, UK, Israel, Japan, Middle Eastern countries.

Afghanistan and Indochina are two wars that can be laid squarely at the feet of Russia.  Perhaps China and WW 2 but that is closely tied to Japanese invasion as well.  In the grand scheme of wars of the 20th Century can we particularly single out Russia as the culprit?

I thought most of you believed it was the Jewish International Bankers who caused the wars.

The good have not been martyred.  Not in any significant numbers where they stand out from most other centuries.   Sure, Russia martyred Orthodox priests and nuns (mostly).  But they are heretics, they are not conceivably "the good", other than they died for their schismatic version of Christianity.  If the good are martyred, surely we notice don't we?  Does the martyrdom of the good not imply an event where a sizeable number of "the good", presumeably faithful baptised Catholics, are martyred.

What is the point of prophecy if we have to intrepret and retrofit it to get it to work.  Just say, "Rome will lose the faith and become the seat of the Antichrist".  That DID happen and we can all agree it happened.

Now, all of this COULD BE in the future.  Perhaps Vladimir Putin, or his successor, or his successor, is really secretly very evil and invades Europe and attacks a Church that is newly restoring and bringing back Tradition.  Perhaps, but right now it looks like Russia is resisting the evil more than spreading it.  Churches are being built in Russia (albeit Orthdox ones)m family life is being encouraged, abortion discouraged and it is one of the few places on earth where sodomites don't rule the day.

It appears to me that in order to defend Fatima we do all sorts of interpretation and selective reading and invent two-sister lucy theories, when at face value it is more innaccurate than accurate.

To me, the most damning part of Fatima is the fact that Sister Lucia went along with the modernist changes and slobbered over JP2's hands in the most fawning way in June 2000.  Obviously, the doppleganger theory gets around this which is why it gets traction with some (but not most) Traditionalists, but having studied it I see no credibility or strong evidence for it.  There are unanswered flaws such as why all of the other sisters in the convent did not notice that a person had been swapped out for a doppleganger, or Lucia's family members or indeed what the Church gained by it for the HUGE risk of potential exposure, when compared to simply suiciding sister lucia in 1972 and saying she has died of natural causes.  The doppleganger didn't really do anything.  Sister Lucia simply dying (being killed) would be much less risky and still serve to take the spotlight off Fatima.
Title: Re: The Age of Fatima
Post by: ggreg on January 08, 2019, 02:59:59 AM
Fatima, or Garabandal?

http://www.mysticsofthechurch.com/2014/06/the-death-of-joey-lomangino-blow-to.html
I was commenting that if "Portugal will ALWAYS retain the dogma of the faith" has any meaning in light of modern day apostate Portugal, then Joey Lomangino dying blind could, theoretically, not falsify Garabandal.
God could after all resurrect Joey from the dead and restore his sight on the day of the miracle.  And likewise we could find out that there is a massive secret underground network of Traditionalists in Portugal with their own secret priests and bishops who have been keeping the faith since 1965 and marrying their sons and daughters to each other.
But judged by what is reasonable and visible neither such event seems very likely.
Prophecies are for man to judge with his own senses.  If we had supernatural perception we wouldn't need them.
Title: Re: The Age of Fatima
Post by: ggreg on January 08, 2019, 03:15:08 AM

That is then a misleading statement, since it contains the word always, which is superfluous to its meaning regardless of what one sticks on the end.  Does Our Lady not know Portuguese grammar?
Take out the word "always" and the statement is MORE accurate with ANY extension to the text.
The Dogma of the Faith was perserved no better in Portugal than any other European country. Portugal's birthrate is below the UKs. Portugal has abortion and the legal marriage of sodomites.
It wasn't "always", it was a mere 50 years.



always
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Title: Re: The Age of Fatima
Post by: LaramieHirsch on January 08, 2019, 03:30:53 AM
That is then a misleading statement...
Greg!  Hey man!  Good reading your posts again!  You're the man.  
Title: Re: The Age of Fatima
Post by: Nadir on January 08, 2019, 04:29:45 AM
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The good have not been martyred.  Not in any significant numbers where they stand out from most other centuries.   ... If the good are martyred, surely we notice don't we?  Does the martyrdom of the good not imply an event where a sizeable number of "the good", presumeably faithful baptised Catholics, are martyred.
Surely we don't notice! Are we believe that, because the MSM is not talking about it, that it doesn't happen that the good are martyred. Are we to believe that in the 21 century there  are fewer  martyrs than in previous ages?
https://acnuk.org/china/
https://www.ucanews.com/news/cardinal-zen-calls-on-beijing-to-end-religious-persecution/75856
Title: Re: The Age of Fatima
Post by: Carissima on January 08, 2019, 10:00:22 AM
Russia is divided and we won’t find the truth about it on Fox evening news. 

From an article published yesterday on Traditioninaction and for informational purposes only:

Habitually the Western man has a distorted idea of this reality. He believes that the “orthodox” form a single church with a coherent and cohesive doctrine. This is not true. In Ukraine there are three different schismatic churches that have almost always been linked to the communists of the Kremlin since the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution. 

Recently the news spread that the Schismatic Church of Ukraine is declaring its independence from the Russian Church and uniting the three schismatic Ukrainian Churches. These three Churches had always fought one another, each one pretending to be the “true Orthodox” Ukrainian Church. Why now have they reached a pacific union? Why only now have they declared that they no longer can receive orders from Moscow’s Patriarch Kirill, a known KGB agent who is obedient to the rulers of the Kremlin? 

https://traditioninaction.org/History/F_010_Ukraine.html (https://traditioninaction.org/History/F_010_Ukraine.html)
Title: Re: The Age of Fatima
Post by: ggreg on January 08, 2019, 12:43:01 PM
The Roman Church is no less divided.

The point is simple, let's consider Russia at a street level an everyday level where you interact with your neighbours is a lot less degenerate than European countries.

They are not politically correct.

You are free you have an opinion about most things.

There's religious freedom provided you are not proselytizing in public.

The President of the country is often seen performing openly Christian acts.

Women dress as women, men as men.

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Russia is far from perfect.  But it is a LOT better than at any time in the last 102 years and improving.

I visit every 18 months for 2 weeks on average and a have Russians staying at my house most months of the year.  I watch Russia news (not just RT, but documentaries and I can see the nature of the TV is more wholesome than it used to be).
Title: Re: The Age of Fatima
Post by: Quid Retribuam Domino on January 08, 2019, 01:36:09 PM
That is then a misleading statement, since it contains the word always, which is superfluous to its meaning regardless of what one sticks on the end.  Does Our Lady not know Portuguese grammar?

I don't doubt that Our Lady appeared at Fatima, but the message and secrets are dubious because of human error in passing it "down the grapevine" and it becoming truncated in parts. Why would Our Lady appear at Fatima and render these messages, if what was actually said, and its meaning, was going to be edited, distorted and lost? It defies logic, but maybe there is a more personal reason for those directly involved in the apparition. Also, God works in ways that we can't understand.

I agree with you about Russia.

Regarding the imposter "Lucia", maybe they used her to be the ambassador for the Fatima enterprise because she would bring in the most money and interest, rather than her memory (after the real Lucia is assassinated or exiled until her death).

The questions about her family and convent members not speaking out about the imposter are valid questions.
Title: Re: The Age of Fatima
Post by: ggreg on January 08, 2019, 04:43:52 PM
Conceivably, how much money did Fatima bring to the Church?

I would think it was trivial compared to property portfolios and rent on them that the Vatican controls.

To the town of Fatima perhaps, hotels, tourism brought in some useful income, but how much did the Church make out of it?  It wasn't a massive centre of Pilgrimage after Vatican II.  I think Lourdes was larger.

A doppelganger would have to be sanctioned and organised pretty high up as it would have a risk of being exposed and be HUGELY embarrassing were it to be exposed.  I can't see the mayor of Fatima and the local bishop necromancing up a fake Sister Lucia realistically, can you?
Title: Re: The Age of Fatima
Post by: ggreg on January 08, 2019, 04:52:08 PM
Surely we don't notice! Are we believe that, because the MSM is not talking about it, that it doesn't happen that the good are martyred. Are we to believe that in the 21 century there  are fewer  martyrs than in previous ages?
https://acnuk.org/china/
https://www.ucanews.com/news/cardinal-zen-calls-on-beijing-to-end-religious-persecution/75856
I think there probably are fewer.
 In the Boxer Rebellion of 1900, many priests, nuns, catechists and some 30,000 Chinese converts to Christianity were killed. Some were children. Many were killed in the church in which they were taking refuge in the village of Tchou-Kia-ho.  That was 17 years before Fatima.
The MSM can cover up one or two, but if there was a wholesale slaughter in China of more than 30,000 Catholics it would get out.  Very hard to hide stuff like that today.  There are a lot of right wing evangelicals who would publicize it if for no other reason than to bash the Chinese commies.
Title: Re: The Age of Fatima
Post by: Quid Retribuam Domino on January 08, 2019, 05:10:37 PM
How many of the Assyrians and Armenians were Catholic when they were genocided by the Turkroaches?

Same with the 10 million Ukrainians killed off by Jew Lazar Kaganovich. According to Wiki, around 7.5% Ukrainians, today, are Catholic, so for argument sake, let's say that in the 1930s, 7.5 % of Ukrainians were Catholic. Statistically, it's plausible that 750,000 (7.5% of 10 million) Catholics died in Holodomor Holocaust. The core reason these people were genocided by the Jew atheist Kaganovich was because they professed the Name of Jesus Christ.

Wouldn't these Catholics be martyrs, if they died because of their Faith?
Title: Re: The Age of Fatima
Post by: ggreg on January 08, 2019, 05:20:54 PM
No idea how to discover that, but I am pretty sure MOST of them were orthodox.  Besides that started in 1915.

Also I am not sure whether they were martyrs.  They were killed because they were Armenians and even when they renounced the faith and converted to Islam the Turks still killed them.

Toynbee and various other sources report that many Armenians were spared death by marrying into Turkish families or converting to Islam. Concerned that Westerners would come to regard the "extermination of the Armenians" as "a black stain on the history of Islam, which the ages will not efface", El-Ghusein also observes that many Armenian converts were put to death.[38] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide#cite_note-El-Ghusein-41):39 In one instance, when an Islamic leader appealed to spare Armenian converts to Islam, El-Ghusein quotes a government official as responding that "politics have no religion", before sending the converts to their deaths
Title: Re: The Age of Fatima
Post by: Quid Retribuam Domino on January 08, 2019, 05:31:36 PM
The Assyrian and Armenian genocides started around 1915, but they went to 1923.

Previous comment edited to include Ukraine.
Title: Re: The Age of Fatima
Post by: ggreg on January 08, 2019, 06:52:57 PM
So let me get this straight.

Our Lady appears, makes the Sun dance and we get a message about Russia and her errors, a few Christian martyrs, and World War II (though I don't think this was published until it was underway).

Nothing about the worldwide loss of faith we are now experiencing.  Homo marriage and rampant fornication and very high divorce rates and children born out of wedlock.

Which has resulted in most souls lost to Hell.  1920 to 1965 or 1965 to present day?

You'd have to figure the last 50 years surely wouldn't you?


If the 3rd Secret is a warning about Vatican II and liberalism and they covered that up then how in the heck is John XXIII a canonised saint?

How did Sister Lucia sit silent and watch Vatican II happen (or Malachi Martin for that matter)?
Title: Re: The Age of Fatima
Post by: 2Vermont on January 09, 2019, 08:06:00 AM
So let me get this straight.

Our Lady appears, makes the Sun dance and we get a message about Russia and her errors, a few Christian martyrs, and World War II (though I don't think this was published until it was underway).

Nothing about the worldwide loss of faith we are now experiencing.  Homo marriage and rampant fornication and very high divorce rates and children born out of wedlock.

Which has resulted in most souls lost to Hell.  1920 to 1965 or 1965 to present day?

You'd have to figure the last 50 years surely wouldn't you?


If the 3rd Secret is a warning about Vatican II and liberalism and they covered that up then how in the heck is John XXIII a canonised saint?

How did Sister Lucia sit silent and watch Vatican II happen (or Malachi Martin for that matter)?
Have you seen the investigations into the Fake Lucia? This is the latest entry:
https://radtradthomist.chojnowski.me/2019/01/announcement-2019-sworn-declaration.html
Title: Re: The Age of Fatima
Post by: ggreg on January 09, 2019, 08:38:22 AM
Yes, I keep up with all things like this.

I think it is nonsense, clutching at straws.

It is known by science that handwriting does indeed change over time.

So I reject their samples as evidence because, even if the handwriting is slightly different, so what?

Give me DNA analysis of the real and fake Sister Lucia  Then I will believe there were two Sister Lucia's

The old and the "new" one always looked to me like the same person.
Title: Re: The Age of Fatima
Post by: ggreg on January 09, 2019, 08:56:01 AM
Sister Lucia lived for another 4 years and 8 months after the June 2000 publication.  In that period there was intense speculation about the secret being hidden.  I remember discussing it myself in forums.  There was more interest then than there is today!

Why not get the fake sister Lucia to confirm that the whole secret was released by the Vatican in 2001 to 2005.  Why go to all of that trouble and risk and yet not use the stooge, when you have every reason to roll her out and bury the speculation about an additional part?
Title: Re: The Age of Fatima
Post by: 2Vermont on January 09, 2019, 09:12:26 AM
Yes, I keep up with all things like this.

I think it is nonsense, clutching at straws.

It is known by science that handwriting does indeed change over time.

So I reject their samples as evidence because, even if the handwriting is slightly different, so what?

Give me DNA analysis of the real and fake Sister Lucia  Then I will believe there were two Sister Lucia's

The old and the "new" one always looked to me like the same person.
Fair enough.  Just wondering if you saw it.  I'm not sure what I think of it.  Personally, all I see of Fatima is division among Catholics. 
Title: Re: The Age of Fatima
Post by: Vintagewife3 on January 09, 2019, 10:07:46 AM
I’ve never seen any real proof that there was a fake Sister Lucia. I agree 2vermont it’s just a way to drive  wedge between Catholics.
Title: Re: The Age of Fatima
Post by: ggreg on January 09, 2019, 12:39:36 PM
I don't see Fatima as particularly divisive.  But what am I supposed to do now?  101 years have passed and nothing much has happened.

Russia today is one of the better countries.  No homo marriage and no promotion of perverted behaviors.

The Pope and the Bishops consecrating Russia to the Immaculate Heart?   :laugh1: :laugh1: :laugh1: :laugh1: :laugh1: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

We can't even get those idiots to be Catholics.  There is no chance of them consecrating anything to anyone.

You'd find it far easier to get four dozen of them to a homosexual drug fuelled orgy.

So, all I can do is wait and see whether God does something.

Keep my sandwich board polished and wait.

Title: Re: The Age of Fatima
Post by: Neil Obstat on January 09, 2019, 05:49:54 PM
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So let me get this straight.

Our Lady appears, makes the Sun dance and we get a message about Russia and her errors, a few Christian martyrs, and World War II (though I don't think this was published until it was underway).

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Lots of things Our Lady told the children were not "published" until many years later. Some of it STILL hasn't been "published."

When in 1917 she told the children another even worse war could begin during the reign of Pius XI, the children had no idea who "Pius XI" was for he had not been elected yet in 1917.
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If you're bent on requiring corroborating evidence for everything, then that implies you think Sister Lucia was a liar.
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Nothing about the worldwide loss of faith we are now experiencing. [Not a sentence.]
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That would be part of the Third Secret which has not been made public yet.
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 Homo marriage and rampant fornication and very high divorce rates and children born out of wedlock. [Not a sentence.]

Which has resulted in most souls lost to Hell.  1920 to 1965 or 1965 to present day? [Not sentences.]

You'd have to figure the last 50 years surely wouldn't you?
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Title: Re: The Age of Fatima
Post by: Neil Obstat on January 09, 2019, 05:55:49 PM
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I don't see Fatima as particularly divisive.  But what am I supposed to do now?  101 years have passed and nothing much has happened.

So, all I can do is wait and see whether God does something.

Keep my sandwich board polished and wait.
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What you're supposed to do now is to pray the daily Rosary.
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The fact that Our Lady's solid wooden statue was seen to cry real human tears exactly 101 times in Akita (an approved apparition) was mysteriously an integral part of the historical record. Maybe you didn't know about that. You didn't publish it. There has been much speculation as to what that number, 101, signifies, precisely. Since this year is 101 years since the Fatima apparitions, maybe this is the year we will find out what the 101 means.
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So keep your Lord of Sandwich board polished.

Title: Re: The Age of Fatima
Post by: 2Vermont on January 09, 2019, 06:11:07 PM
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What you're supposed to do now is to pray the daily Rosary.
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The fact that Our Lady's solid wooden statue was seen to cry real human tears exactly 101 times in Akita (an approved apparition) was mysteriously an integral part of the historical record. Maybe you didn't know about that. You didn't publish it. There has been much speculation as to what that number, 101, signifies, precisely. Since this year is 101 years since the Fatima apparitions, maybe this is the year we will find out what the 101 means.
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So keep your Lord of Sandwich board polished.
Akita?  If that was approved wasn't it approved by the Novus Ordo...around 1973?
Title: Re: The Age of Fatima
Post by: ggreg on January 09, 2019, 06:37:38 PM
Been doing that since 1971
Title: Re: The Age of Fatima
Post by: Neil Obstat on January 09, 2019, 08:00:43 PM
Akita?  If that was approved wasn't it approved by the Novus Ordo...around 1973?
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Maybe you don't know how it works. "The Novus Ordo" isn't what approved Akita.
Title: Re: The Age of Fatima
Post by: Neil Obstat on January 09, 2019, 08:02:32 PM
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Been doing that since 1971
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Must be a really shiny Lord of Sandwich board by now 
Title: Re: The Age of Fatima
Post by: 2Vermont on January 09, 2019, 08:26:12 PM
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Maybe you don't know how it works. "The Novus Ordo" isn't what approved Akita.
Who approved Akita then?  Same church hierarchy that approved the Novus Ordo and Vatican 2 , no?
Title: Re: The Age of Fatima
Post by: Nadir on January 09, 2019, 08:28:56 PM
I’ve never seen any real proof that there was a fake Sister Lucia. 
Check out
https://traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/g12htArt2_TwoSisterLucys.htm
http://radtradthomist.chojnowski.me/2018/08/fraud-facial-recognition-technology.html
Title: Re: The Age of Fatima
Post by: Quid Retribuam Domino on January 09, 2019, 08:42:45 PM
The real Lucia has much fuller lips than the imposter. This, alone, proves there was an imposter "Lucia". The fullness of a woman's lips don't decrease that much in size due to age.
Title: Re: The Age of Fatima
Post by: ggreg on January 10, 2019, 01:59:22 AM
Google is your friend.

https://www.glowsurgicalarts.com/blog/2018/september/do-lips-get-thinner-with-age-/
Title: Re: The Age of Fatima
Post by: ggreg on January 10, 2019, 02:18:57 AM
One of the reasons I tend to discount conspiracy theories is because people make statements that are easily verifiable to the contrary.

That they didn't bother to fact check, tells me they want to believe the conspiracy rather than they want to only believe it, if the weight of evidence leaves them no other choice.

I believe in the 911 conspiracy for 1 reason alone.  Building 7 of the World Trade Centre.  It comes down exactly like a controlled demolition.  You would shake the hand of the demolition expert who could bring you builfing down as neatly  I have never seen a justification of why it would collapse like that when it was not hit by an aeroplane and had zero jet fuel burnjng inside it.  I watch it live on BBC TV and thought it was weird on the day it happened.  Buildings just dont pancake neatly like that.  My father is a building research scientist who worked for the UK goverment at the Building Research Establishment.

If it is due to random fires then show me any other burning building that has collapsed that neatly.

And why go to the expense of blowing a building up when fire can bring it down just as neatly?  Demolition experts could save months and millions of dollars.

Yet, give me a good reason for it falling like that and I would believe it fell.

Likewise, for 2 Sister Lucia's I want hard evidence I cannot explain within a couple of Google searches.  So far I have seen nothing like that.
Title: Re: The Age of Fatima
Post by: Vintagewife3 on January 10, 2019, 09:39:57 AM
Check out
https://traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/g12htArt2_TwoSisterLucys.htm
http://radtradthomist.chojnowski.me/2018/08/fraud-facial-recognition-technology.html
Oh whoa.... that’s kinda crazy. But I don’t understand why they would do this? What would be the point exactly? 
Title: Re: The Age of Fatima
Post by: Vintagewife3 on January 10, 2019, 09:42:58 AM
The real Lucia has much fuller lips than the imposter. This, alone, proves there was an imposter "Lucia". The fullness of a woman's lips don't decrease that much in size due to age.
I don’t know about that.. my great grandma has beautiful full lips when she was younger, but they were razor thin once she was older. I had to be very careful when I did her make up, and lipstick. 
Title: Re: The Age of Fatima
Post by: Quid Retribuam Domino on January 10, 2019, 12:40:27 PM
Lips get thinner, but not that much thinner. Also, the symmetry of Lucia's and the imposter's mouths are very different. The only natural cause is if Lucia had a stroke or AVM-induced brain hemorrhage. Did she ever have such medical condition?
Title: Re: The Age of Fatima
Post by: ggreg on January 10, 2019, 04:04:13 PM
Read the link above.  There are other reasons for thinning lips.
Title: Re: The Age of Fatima
Post by: Clemens Maria on January 10, 2019, 05:21:29 PM
It appears to me that in order to defend Fatima we do all sorts of interpretation and selective reading and invent two-sister lucy theories, when at face value it is more innaccurate than accurate.

To me, the most damning part of Fatima is the fact that Sister Lucia went along with the modernist changes and slobbered over JP2's hands in the most fawning way in June 2000.  Obviously, the doppleganger theory gets around this which is why it gets traction with some (but not most) Traditionalists, but having studied it I see no credibility or strong evidence for it.  There are unanswered flaws such as why all of the other sisters in the convent did not notice that a person had been swapped out for a doppleganger, or Lucia's family members or indeed what the Church gained by it for the HUGE risk of potential exposure, when compared to simply suiciding sister lucia in 1972 and saying she has died of natural causes.  The doppleganger didn't really do anything.  Sister Lucia simply dying (being killed) would be much less risky and still serve to take the spotlight off Fatima.
While the investigation is not complete, Dr. Chojnowski http://radtradthomist.chojnowski.me/ (http://radtradthomist.chojnowski.me/) has already released some evidence that supports the theory that there was an imposter posing as Sr Lucy.  Most people who are already convinced that there was an imposter believe that the switch happened before 1960.  She was not seen in public from 1947 until 1967.  There are no photographs of her for 20 years.  Isn't that odd?  As for her family, she was moved from the Dorothean convent (not cloistered) to the Carmelite convent in 1947.  That is highly unusual.  She took perpetual vows as a Dorothean.  I think it would be highly unlikely that she would seek to be dispensed from those vows so that she could profess new vows in the Carmel.  And conveniently the Carmel does not allow frequent visits from family and friends and when they do visit she would be required to be behind a grate.  If you have seen pictures of the grate, you can see that it is hard to see inside of it.  Dr Chojnowski has uncovered evidence that the Carmel was associated with Opus Dei (another shady organization).  So the whole thing stinks.  Sr Lucy was not in great health in the 1940s.  I would not be surprised if she died in 1947 and Opus Dei took the opportunity to substitute an imposter at that time.  The goal being to suppress the 3rd secret which probably reveals the fake council and the fake popes since Pope Pius XII.
Title: Re: The Age of Fatima
Post by: 2Vermont on January 10, 2019, 05:45:23 PM
Good to "see" you CM!
Title: Re: The Age of Fatima
Post by: Quid Retribuam Domino on January 10, 2019, 06:07:38 PM
and the fake popes since Pope Pius XII.

Are you saying Pope Pius XII was a fake pope - an antipope?
Title: Re: The Age of Fatima
Post by: Clemens Maria on January 10, 2019, 08:23:19 PM
Are you saying Pope Pius XII was a fake pope - an antipope?
No.  John XXIII, Paul VI, John Paul, John Paul II, Benedict XVI and Francis are all pseudo-popes.  I wouldn't even call them antipopes because the antipopes of the past professed Catholic doctrine.  But the Novus Ordo sect has pseudo-popes just like the Anglican sect has a pseudo-archbishop of Canterbury.  Fake pope would be another term for the same idea.

Pope Pius XII was a true Catholic pope.