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Re: SSPX closing down Redemptorist formation
« Reply #30 on: April 30, 2024, 02:29:04 PM »
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    • Quote from: Miseremini on February 03, 2024, 05:14:55 PM
    After we had been encouraged by Bishop Fellay to start a house of formation ad experimentum for future Redemptorist novices, Menzingen has implemented a protocol for religious orders that entails us closing our novitiate for now.
    Menzingen or bishop de Galarreta (or both)?
    What is the full "protocol for religious orders"? To deny the creation of new foundations? To encourage more SSPX priests, brothers, sisters?
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    Re: SSPX closing down Redemptorist formation
    « Reply #31 on: April 30, 2024, 02:57:47 PM »
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    • Nothing on Father's website since March.
    Vicchio...have you seen or heard from father lately?

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    Re: SSPX closing down Redemptorist formation
    « Reply #32 on: April 30, 2024, 05:33:34 PM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on April 30, 2024, 02:29:04 PM
    Menzingen or bishop de Galarreta (or both)?
    What is the full "protocol for religious orders"? To deny the creation of new foundations? To encourage more SSPX priests, brothers, sisters?

    I think that it has to do with the fact that +Fellay is conceding that they can't set up any more houses for Traditional pre-V2 Catholic Orders such as the Redemptorists, Dominicans, etc. ... as that would have a "schismatic" sense to it, as only the Church has authority over such Orders.
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    Re: SSPX closing down Redemptorist formation
    « Reply #33 on: April 30, 2024, 06:45:20 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on April 30, 2024, 05:33:34 PM
    that would have a "schismatic" sense to it, as only the Church has authority over such Orders.
    ++Lefebvre did have a sermon saying they're technically only private vows…
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    Re: SSPX closing down Redemptorist formation
    « Reply #34 on: April 30, 2024, 08:20:55 PM »
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    • I really hope the newSociety knows exactly the meaning and conditions and limitations that are intrinsic to "SUPPLIED JURISDICTION" ! BECAUSE OF "EMERGENCY" Situations or circuмstances, when a faithful catholic asks for a sacrament (s), then the Church supplies the jurisdiction / graces. But closing/ controlling a Redemptorist foundation ??? I would be condemned at the judgment day if I so much as encouraged, or spoke approvingly of a Schismatic person/bishop /entity.! The following is probably outdated...

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    Re: SSPX closing down Redemptorist formation
    « Reply #35 on: April 30, 2024, 11:18:14 PM »
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    • Miseremini.....We hear from Father Alphonsus a few times a month via email.
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    Re: SSPX closing down Redemptorist formation
    « Reply #36 on: May 01, 2024, 06:07:44 AM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on April 30, 2024, 06:45:20 PM
    ++Lefebvre did have a sermon saying they're technically only private vows…

    Whatever they are canonically (and +Lefebvre wasn't wrong), one gives a schismatic "impression" by going around setting up Dominican or Redempotorist (or other) types of religious houses.
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    Re: SSPX closing down Redemptorist formation
    « Reply #37 on: May 01, 2024, 06:33:04 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on May 01, 2024, 06:07:44 AM
    Whatever they are canonically (and +Lefebvre wasn't wrong), one gives a schismatic "impression" by going around setting up Dominican or Redempotorist (or other) types of religious houses.
    Fr. Alphonsus is not in that category tho. For years he's worked with the SSPX in all sorts of areas such as filling in as a substitute priest when they ask him to. He hears confessions Sundays or at least every other Sunday at SSPX before and during the Low Mass, gives missions for the SSPX etc. so it's not like he's some break away priest or anything.

    As it says on his Amazon Wish List page: "The Traditional Redemptorist Missioners are preachers associated with the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX)."

    Anyway, he is still in the process building the monastery and will have an informal blessing of it next week and an official blessing with +Fellay sometime around the end of the year after it's completed.
     
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    Re: SSPX closing down Redemptorist formation
    « Reply #38 on: May 03, 2024, 10:56:36 AM »
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    Re: SSPX closing down Redemptorist formation
    « Reply #39 on: May 03, 2024, 04:51:30 PM »
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    • So it's not closing down?
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    Re: SSPX closing down Redemptorist formation
    « Reply #40 on: May 03, 2024, 05:47:48 PM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on May 03, 2024, 04:51:30 PM
    So it's not closing down?

    Sounds like retreat house for now ... while they hold out hope it'll be turned into a house of formation down the road.
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    Re: SSPX closing down Redemptorist formation
    « Reply #41 on: May 04, 2024, 06:19:17 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on May 03, 2024, 05:47:48 PM
    Sounds like retreat house for now ... while they hold out hope it'll be turned into a house of formation down the road.
    Yes, this is the hope.
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