Are you sure about this? Why would this be a reason for a priest not to fly to administer to the needs of the faithful? I remember the outrage when those things were introduced, and rightly so, but no one ever claimed it was a sin to go through one of those machines, and as a matter of fact traditional Catholics fly on planes all the time without the slightest hesitation of conscience. Are you really sure this is why they don't fly?

Welll, my mom has been going to St. Therese for years, and that's the story she's been getting from the chapel coordinator, that the priests and nuns and seminarians of SSPV East (aka CSPV) refuse to fly because of the scanners, and this has been corroborated by the fact that when Bishop Santay did do confirmations a couple years ago, he drove around the country.  Not sure if that's changed recently with the TSA pre-check stuff someone else mentioned.

Welll, my mom has been going to St. Therese for years, and that's the story she's been getting from the chapel coordinator, that the priests and nuns and seminarians of SSPV East (aka CSPV) refuse to fly because of the scanners, and this has been corroborated by the fact that when Bishop Santay did do confirmations a couple years ago, he drove around the country.  Not sure if that's changed recently.

If that is what the coordinator at St. Therese thinks, he or she is misinformed.

He is correct about the nuns not flying, but even they have started to fly again recently.

I can't say one way or the other if Bishop Santay drove to a Confirmation in a specific instance or what the reason would've been for doing so, but he visits my chapel once in a while and always flys in. Neither he nor the other Priests of the CSPV had a "no fly" policy, and even if they did they contradicted it every time they have come to say Mass at my chapel.

Thinking back I can think 0 times I have ever known the Priests to have driven to my chapel from Round Top, and we have had the CSPV Priest's servicing our chapel continuously for about 15 years.

Ladislaus...where are you getting your information from? I'm no fan of the SSPV due to their schismatic Thuc position but I'm having hard time believing all of this.

I've been hearing this from my mom, who's pretty close to the chapel coordinator at St. Therese, that the CSPV priests will not fly because of the scanners.  Again, not sure if that's changed due to TSA pre-check.

There's definitely been some strange rift between the two groups, Cincinnati and Round Top.  Why the need for a separate CSPV in addition to the SSPV?  At one point, the Round Top nuns abruptly left the school in Cincinnati where they had been helping to teach.  My mom has never gotten a solid answer for why the groups are at odds with one another.

In reading the CSPV website, on the question of "Why the congregation?", they cite Canon Law to the effect that priests should not live "unattached" but either subject to a diocesan bishop or else living in some kind of religious institute.  I'm pretty sure Canon Law had in mind an actual canonically-established religious institute (such as a monastery or other house of a religious order) and not just a group of priests deciding to live together ... as these latter would be just as "vagantes" as the independent priests.  This rejection of "vagantes" priests has long been a mantra of Home Aloners, which is why it raises suspicions in my mind (along with the very fact that they created this separate group).  Why not just have a group of SSPV priests living together?  Why a new group?  None of this adds up, and there's been some kind of rift between the two groups for some time ... even though on one level they still cooperate (as CSPV bishops will go around once in a while to perform confirmations).

That is simply false. Regardless of who you're hearing it from, they are misinformed or lying.

Just two days ago a CSPV Priest FLEW in to say Mass on Christmas for us, and then FLEW back out.

Why do you keep emphasizing this particular point when it's simply verifiably FALSE?

Nobody's lying and nobody WAS misinformed, even if that's changed due to the TSA pre-check.  Bishop Kelly and those near to him refused to fly for years because of the TSA scanners, to the point that Bishop Santay did a driving tour of the country for confirmations, sometimes taking a day or two (or longer) to get from one location to the next.  If it's changed recently, then it's due to the fact that they can get around the scanners now with the change in regulations.

And the rift between SSPV and CSPV is not false either.  Round Top nuns abruptly left Cincinnati at one point, and the CSPV was created for no obvious reason.  When looking at their website for "Why the congregation?" they state that it was founded due to their reading of Canon Law that priests should not be "unattached" (aka "vagantes"), which sounds like a Gerry Matatics or HomeAloner reading of Canon Law.  In fact, the denunciation of "vagantes" priests has long been at the core of Home Aloner rhetoric.  Combined with the fact that they have a ton of priests and nuns out there while chapels are left to languish, something stinks at Round Top.

You have the old-schoolers like Frs. Jenkins and Mroczka, the latter having lived by himself for years up at White Bear Lake ... and these never stopped flying, but the group attached to Bishop Kelly most certainly did.

Nobody's lying and nobody WAS misinformed, even if that's changed due to the TSA pre-check.  Bishop Kelly and those near to him refused to fly for years because of the TSA scanners, to the point that Bishop Santay did a driving tour of the country for confirmations, sometimes taking a day or two (or longer) to get from one location to the next.  If it's changed recently, then it's due to the fact that they can get around the scanners now with the change in regulations.

And the rift between SSPV and CSPV is not false either.  Round Top nuns abruptly left Cincinnati at one point, and the CSPV was created for no obvious reason.  When looking at their website for "Why the congregation?" they state that it was founded due to their reading of Canon Law that priests should not be "unattached" (aka "vagantes"), which sounds like a Gerry Matatics or HomeAloner reading of Canon Law.  In fact, the denunciation of "vagantes" priests has long been at the core of Home Aloner rhetoric.  Combined with the fact that they have a ton of priests and nuns out there while chapels are left to languish, something stinks at Round Top.

You have the old-schoolers like Frs. Jenkins and Mroczka, the latter having lived by himself for years up at White Bear Lake ... and these never stopped flying, but the group attached to Bishop Kelly most certainly did.

The accusation that the CSPV stopped flying for any reason is FALSE, and verifiably so. Again, how Bishop Santay travelled on a particular confirmation tour that did not involve my chapel is nothing I know about, but he has been at my chapel within the last year, comes once or twice every year, and always flies.

It is TRUE that the nuns stopped flying, but the Priests never did, and now the nuns have started flying again too.

The rift between Cincinnati and Round Top is also TRUE. I'd rather not get into the details (and I'm not sure I know all of them anyway), but the rift has healed to a large extent and Father Jenkins attends ordinations in Round Top once again and the Bishops have been to Cincinnati for Confirmation recently.

I've been hearing this from my mom, who's pretty close to the chapel coordinator at St. Therese, that the CSPV priests will not fly because of the scanners.  Again, not sure if that's changed due to TSA pre-check.

There's definitely been some strange rift between the two groups, Cincinnati and Round Top.  Why the need for a separate CSPV in addition to the SSPV?  At one point, the Round Top nuns abruptly left the school in Cincinnati where they had been helping to teach.  My mom has never gotten a solid answer for why the groups are at odds with one another.

In reading the CSPV website, on the question of "Why the congregation?", they cite Canon Law to the effect that priests should not live "unattached" but either subject to a diocesan bishop or else living in some kind of religious institute.  I'm pretty sure Canon Law had in mind an actual canonically-established religious institute (such as a monastery or other house of a religious order) and not just a group of priests deciding to live together ... as these latter would be just as "vagantes" as the independent priests.  This rejection of "vagantes" priests has long been a mantra of Home Aloners, which is why it raises suspicions in my mind (along with the very fact that they created this separate group).  Why not just have a group of SSPV priests living together?  Why a new group?  None of this adds up, and there's been some kind of rift between the two groups for some time ... even though on one level they still cooperate (as CSPV bishops will go around once in a while to perform confirmations).

I can see where things don't seem to add up with respect to the separate CSPV group and 1918 Canon Law (? btw, why are they saying 1918? I thought it was the 1917 Code).  

However, just keep in mind that as our moms get older, they aren't always the best source for accurate information.   

I can see where things don't seem to add up with respect to the separate CSPV group and 1918 Canon Law (? btw, why are they saying 1918? I thought it was the 1917 Code). 

However, just keep in mind that as our moms get older, they aren't always the best source for accurate information.  

No, my Mom was accurate, having gotten some of it directly from Father Jenkins, and some from the chapel coordinator, who was in constant contact with Father Jenkins.  It's just that she's not been updated on that point, and evidently the naked body scanners were removed from airports in 2013.  Bishop Santay was consecrated in 2007, when these were still out there, and it's a fact that he conducted driving confirmation tours out of a refusal to go through those earlier models of scanners.

As for 1918, that's a good question.  Perhaps the 1917 Code was finally printed in 1918?  Sometimes they put out an "Editio Typica" first but then it doesn't hit the presses for a while?