Author Topic: CSPV -- what gives? PriestAloneist Doomsday Cult at Round Top? (Read 5832 times)

Gloria Tibi Domine · « **Reply #25 on:** December 27, 2022, 10:05:57 AM »

Evidently they initially had this psychological problem with going through the TSA "naked" scanners ... as if Our Lord hadn't been stripped to near-naked on the Cross.

Regarding only this opinion, the priest represents Christ and His dignity. And that needs to be protected. I don't think it's a psychological problem for laymen or religious to refuse these intrusive searches. What Christ allowed to happen to Himself was part of His sacrifice for us; it had nothing to do with routine travel.

2Vermont · « **Reply #26 on:** December 27, 2022, 12:29:29 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on December 27, 2022, 07:46:42 AM

I've been hearing this from my mom, who's pretty close to the chapel coordinator at St. Therese, that the CSPV priests will not fly because of the scanners. Again, not sure if that's changed due to TSA pre-check.

There's definitely been some strange rift between the two groups, Cincinnati and Round Top. Why the need for a separate CSPV in addition to the SSPV? At one point, the Round Top nuns abruptly left the school in Cincinnati where they had been helping to teach. My mom has never gotten a solid answer for why the groups are at odds with one another.

In reading the CSPV website, on the question of "Why the congregation?", they cite Canon Law to the effect that priests should not live "unattached" but either subject to a diocesan bishop or else living in some kind of religious institute. I'm pretty sure Canon Law had in mind an actual canonically-established religious institute (such as a monastery or other house of a religious order) and not just a group of priests deciding to live together ... as these latter would be just as "vagantes" as the independent priests. This rejection of "vagantes" priests has long been a mantra of Home Aloners, which is why it raises suspicions in my mind (along with the very fact that they created this separate group). Why not just have a group of SSPV priests living together? Why a new group? None of this adds up, and there's been some kind of rift between the two groups for some time ... even though on one level they still cooperate (as CSPV bishops will go around once in a while to perform confirmations).

I can see where things don't seem to add up with respect to the separate CSPV group and 1918 Canon Law (? btw, why are they saying 1918? I thought it was the 1917 Code).

However, just keep in mind that as our moms get older, they aren't always the best source for accurate information.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #27 on:** December 27, 2022, 12:46:06 PM »

I stand by the information as very solid and reliable that at one point various SSPV priests (those associated with Bishop Kelly) refused to fly because of the naked body scanners. Evidently, the naked body thing, however, was limited to the earlier scanners and hasn't been the case for a while (this article says they were all removed in 2013). Nobody was lying or misinformed ... their information was just dated.

https://www.rd.com/article/what-do-airport-body-scanners-see/

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According to the TSA, a body scanner doesn’t show your naked body on its screen … anymore. “Early versions of the scanners came out without any privacy protections, and TSOs in the checkpoint could be looking at naked images of passengers as they went through the screening,” explains Malvini Redden. These scanners used backscatter technology, but because of privacy and health concerns, those machines were removed from all airports in 2013. “Now when passengers are scanned, the machines are supposed to generate generic images of a body instead of the passenger’s unique image.”

Back when the scanners showed naked images of the passengers, it was a fact that the priests associated with Bishop Kelly refused to fly as a result. Bishop Santay was consecrated in 2007, when these were still in place, and he did in fact conduct driving confirmation tours as a result of their refusal to go through these earlier naked-body machines (pre-2013).

Nevertheless, this information was dated and appears to no longer apply.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #28 on:** December 27, 2022, 12:50:34 PM »

Quote from: 2Vermont on December 27, 2022, 12:29:29 PM

I can see where things don't seem to add up with respect to the separate CSPV group and 1918 Canon Law (? btw, why are they saying 1918? I thought it was the 1917 Code).

However, just keep in mind that as our moms get older, they aren't always the best source for accurate information.

No, my Mom was accurate, having gotten some of it directly from Father Jenkins, and some from the chapel coordinator, who was in constant contact with Father Jenkins. It's just that she's not been updated on that point, and evidently the naked body scanners were removed from airports in 2013. Bishop Santay was consecrated in 2007, when these were still out there, and it's a fact that he conducted driving confirmation tours out of a refusal to go through those earlier models of scanners.

As for 1918, that's a good question. Perhaps the 1917 Code was finally printed in 1918? Sometimes they put out an "Editio Typica" first but then it doesn't hit the presses for a while?

Ladislaus · « **Reply #29 on:** December 27, 2022, 12:52:18 PM »

Quote from: cath4ever on December 27, 2022, 08:29:05 AM

The accusation that the CSPV stopped flying for any reason is FALSE, and verifiably so.

Technically it was the SSPV, since the congregation didn't exist, but the information is most certainly true. It was just dated, since the objectionable scanners were evidently removed by 2013. Bishop Santay was consecrated in 2007 and most certainly conducted a driving confirmation tour as a result of their refusal to go through the original naked-body scanners.

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