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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: CSPV -- what gives? PriestAloneist Doomsday Cult at Round Top?
« Reply #30 on: December 27, 2022, 12:55:55 PM »

Evidently they initially had this psychological problem with going through the TSA "naked" scanners ... as if Our Lord hadn't been stripped to near-naked on the Cross. 


  Regarding only this opinion, the priest represents Christ and His dignity. And that needs to be protected. I don't think it's a psychological problem for laymen or religious to refuse these intrusive searches. What Christ allowed to happen to Himself was part of His sacrifice for us; it had nothing to do with routine travel. 

To a point.  Our Lord was stripped near-naked to redeem the faithful, so to neglect the faithful as a result of refusing to be seen naked by one TSA agent at an airport is rather weak.  I'm pretty sure that when those scanners were around, passengers could request to be screened by an agent of their own gender.  I know that if someone was being "searched," they could request same-sex agents to perform the searches.

Re: CSPV -- what gives? PriestAloneist Doomsday Cult at Round Top?
« Reply #31 on: December 27, 2022, 01:26:41 PM »
Bishop Santay came and conferred confirmation at our chapel during Catechism week in July of 2010, and he flew. I know this because our Priest at the time went and picked him up at the airport.

Why are you taking one incident of Bishop Santay possibly traveling by car to administer Confirmation throughout the U.S., declaring his reason for doing so was because he doesn't like the TSA scanners, basing that assumption on something your mother told you that Fr. Jenkins told her, and then somehow extrapolating that into the CSPV as a whole not caring enough for their faithful?

Then, even if it's correct that Bishop Santay traveled by car on this Confirmation tour, how does that translate into the CSPV in general, or Bishop Santay in particular, not caring for the needs of the faithful? Doesn't the fact (which I don't even know to for sure be a fact) that Bishop Santay was willing to drive all over our big country to administer Confirmation show his solicitude for the spiritual welfare of the CSPV faithful?

If he just said "it's morally impossible for me to fly right now because of the intrusive TSA scanners, therefore I am impeded from traveling to administer Confirmation in our chapels", you might have a point. But you admit this is not what he did. According to your own allegation he got in a vehicle and drove all over the country to administer Confirmation. Yet you say this somehow shows the Bishop's personal, or the CSPV's in general, lack of care for their faithful? How does that follow?

You now seem to be limiting this allegation to Bishop Santay personally, which I have just shown is absurd, even accepting for the sake of argument that this recollection of your mother's that she heard from Fr. Jenkins is even accurate.

But yet you say in your previous post "to neglect the faithful as a result of refusing to be seen naked by one TSA agent at an airport is rather weak." Where is the neglect here? What did Bishop Santay or any.of the other Priests neglect doing?

I have given you concrete evidence based on my personal experience with these Priests and these Bishops, including experience from no more than 2 days ago on Christmas, that what you are saying is false. Yet you continue in this allegation, based on nothing more than your mother's recollection of what Fr. Jenkins told her, unless you have further evidence to add that you have not presented yet.

Pathetic.



Offline Gloria Tibi Domine

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Re: CSPV -- what gives? PriestAloneist Doomsday Cult at Round Top?
« Reply #32 on: December 27, 2022, 02:47:48 PM »
To a point.  Our Lord was stripped near-naked to redeem the faithful, so to neglect the faithful as a result of refusing to be seen naked by one TSA agent at an airport is rather weak.  I'm pretty sure that when those scanners were around, passengers could request to be screened by an agent of their own gender.  I know that if someone was being "searched," they could request same-sex agents to perform the searches.
No, the TSA prevented the sacraments from being brought to the laity, not the priest who rightly refused this intrusive and oppressive search. There is no neglect on the part of the priest, rather maintenance of the dignity and respect of Christ, His religious and His Church. To consent to this search after freedom, dignity have been restored to mankind by being redeemed from the punishment due to sin by Christs sacrifice is to co -operate with tyranny and oppression.     

 This is my opinion; I am not judging the conscience of others.

Re: CSPV -- what gives? PriestAloneist Doomsday Cult at Round Top?
« Reply #33 on: December 27, 2022, 04:36:15 PM »
No, my Mom was accurate, having gotten some of it directly from Father Jenkins, and some from the chapel coordinator, who was in constant contact with Father Jenkins.  It's just that she's not been updated on that point, and evidently the naked body scanners were removed from airports in 2013.  Bishop Santay was consecrated in 2007, when these were still out there, and it's a fact that he conducted driving confirmation tours out of a refusal to go through those earlier models of scanners.

As for 1918, that's a good question.  Perhaps the 1917 Code was finally printed in 1918?  Sometimes they put out an "Editio Typica" first but then it doesn't hit the presses for a while?
Are they really "naked"?  From what I am reading they are generic body lines for all.

Re: CSPV -- what gives? PriestAloneist Doomsday Cult at Round Top?
« Reply #34 on: December 27, 2022, 05:16:54 PM »
Are they really "naked"?  From what I am reading they are generic body lines for all.
Originally, the body scanners did provide an image that really did depict the subject's naked body.  The TSA says that they made adjustments to the programming of the scanners a few months after they came out due to the public outcry so that the scanners now depict a generic body outline.  I've seen pictures of the images and the original images were, indeed, virtually pornographic while the new images are not.  

I don't know if the scanners still save the original images or not, nor do I know for a fact that all scanners have had the adjustments made.