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Author Topic: Sister Lucy attended the Novus Ordo Mass for decades  (Read 27180 times)

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Re: Sister Lucy attended the Novus Ordo Mass for decades
« Reply #75 on: October 23, 2018, 01:41:45 PM »


Here is a talk by Fr. Gruner on the last unrestricted interview of Sister Lucy in 1957.
By Fr. Fuentes.
The talk is a hour long and well worth the time.

Using Father Gruner's interview with Sister Lucy has anyone done a speech analysis of Sister Lucy in 1957 versus Sister Lucy II post-1960?

A comparative speech analysis might provide even better evidence than a facial analysis that the two nuns are two different people.

If Sister Lucy survived and had major dental work done post-1960, then her speech pattern would have changed.

The teeth displayed by Sister Lucy pre-1960 could have interfered with her speech, but wearing dentures usually interferes with speech production.

Re: Sister Lucy attended the Novus Ordo Mass for decades
« Reply #76 on: October 23, 2018, 02:08:23 PM »
If Sister Lucia died in 1949 per the information printed below, then the interview with Father Gruner in 1957 was with the fake Sister Lucia.

[Information provided in bracketed red font is my emphasis.]

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265 - Maria Lucia de Corazao Imaculado
(dos Santos Lucia de Jesus Rosa)

Nata: 22/03/1907 (Fatima)
Prof: 03-10/1928 [21 years old]
Def: 31/05/1949 [42 years old]

See the link for the chart: https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/unknown-photo-of-sister-lucy-2-said-taken-in-1980/msg581375/#msg581375



Re: Sister Lucy attended the Novus Ordo Mass for decades
« Reply #77 on: October 23, 2018, 02:33:19 PM »
However, the picture in this 1957 photo taken of Sr. Lucia seems to indicate that Sr. Lucia had not died in 1949, but was still alive in 1957.

See - https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/g23ht_Interview.html

Who are we to believe?


Re: Sister Lucy attended the Novus Ordo Mass for decades
« Reply #78 on: October 23, 2018, 02:51:09 PM »
Testimony of Professor Walsh’s Translator, Father Manuel Rocha

Concerning the July 15, 1946 interview between Professor William Thomas Walsh and Sister Lucy (see “Sister Lucy’s Statement to Professor Walsh”), Louis Kaczmarek wrote the following in his 1986 book The Wonders She Performs:
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While he was the pastor of Our Lady of Fatima Church in Ludlow, Massachusetts, I spent some time with Fr. Manuel Rocha, the interpreter selected for Mr. William Thomas Walsh, who wrote perhaps the most popular book on Fatima. Fr. Rocha told me that one of the questions Mr. Walsh asked him to translate to Sister Lucia during a three hour interview on the afternoon of July 15, 1946, while she was still Sister Maria das Dores, a Dorothean Sister at Vilar, near Porto, Portugal was ‘In your opinion, will every country, without exception, be overcome by communism?’ Her pale brown eyes staring into his, a ‘little dimple on each cheek,’ she answered ‘yes.’ Fr. Rocha related to me that Mr. Walsh wanted to be positive about the answer and therefore repeated the question adding ‘and does that mean the United States of America too?’ Sister Lucia answered, ‘yes.’
Sister Lucia went on to say: ‘What Our Lady wants is that the Pope and all the bishops in the world shall consecrate Russia to Her Immaculate Heart on one special day. If this is done, She will convert Russia and there will be peace. If it is not done, the errors of Russia will spread through every country in the world.’
Fr. Rocha, as well as Mr. Walsh, felt that the consecration had not been made because Our Lady’s wishes had not yet been carried out.
This interview again demonstrates that Sister Lucy has consistently affirmed the requirements for the Consecration of Russia according to Our Lady’s wishes: the Pope, together with all of the world’s bishops, must solemnly and publicly consecrate specifically Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Until this is done, Russia’s errors will continue to spread throughout the world, and the world will be chastised as Our Lady warned at Fatima in 1917.

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Sr. Lucy seemed "the same, original, Sr. Lucy" in her later Fr. Fuentes interview, at Christmastime in 1957 - grave, serious, and still "on point."  After this 1957 interview, she was silenced.  What actually happened to her then seems a matter of speculation.   

Fr. Wathen always maintained that if Sr. Lucy did attend the Novus Ordo Mass, she was wrong to do so.  The same with all of us.   

Re: Sister Lucy attended the Novus Ordo Mass for decades
« Reply #79 on: October 23, 2018, 08:45:04 PM »
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