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Sister Lucy attended the Novus Ordo Mass for decades
« on: October 10, 2014, 04:25:56 PM »
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  • Sister Lucy spent the last three decades of her life in a Novus Ordo convent and presumably attended the Novus Ordo Mass every day.  Why don't we follow her example?

    Because, Traditionalists reject Vatican II and its liturgical and doctrinal changes.  But Sister Lucy obviously didn't reject Vatican II.  Not once did she speak out against it. I have just watched a recording of the beatification ceremony for Jacinta and Franciso.  And there is Sister Lucy, adoring JPII.  Do Trads adore JPII?  

    Whenever I ask this question, Traditionalists always say that Sister Lucy was under a vow of obedience.  But if Vatican II was as disastrous for the Church as Trads maintain, then surely Sister Lucy should have discerned this and walked out of her convent, which she could have done at any time.  What a message that would have sent to the Conciliarists.

    Instead she remained and didn't once speak out against the disastrous changes introduced by the Council.  And if obedience to her Vatican II embracing superiors was such a virtue, why aren't Trads obedient to Vatican II embracing bishops and priests.

    If Our Lady did indeed choose Sister Lucy to be her messenger - and to announce the 'miracle of the sun', the greatest public miracle since biblical times - does this mean that Our Lady approved of Sister Lucy's silence on the disaster of Vatican II?  If so, should Trads also remain silent?  And if not, why not?

    Some will say that Sister Lucy was a simple peasant girl who could not have fully understood the havoc that Vatican II was causing. But if she was as simple as that, and too simple to appreciate the devastation Vatican II was causing inside her convent, then why listen to anything she had to say?

    Something isn't right about Fatima.

    IMHO  

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    Sister Lucy attended the Novus Ordo Mass for decades
    « Reply #1 on: October 10, 2014, 04:51:29 PM »
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  • Many trads believe that Sister Lucy died and was replaced by an imposter. This would explain why she followed the Novus Ordo and Vatican II, because it wasn't really her. There are several threads on this site about it with pictures of the real Lucy and the imposter and they do look like two different people. I believe Tradition in Action has an article about it also.
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    « Reply #2 on: October 10, 2014, 05:40:34 PM »
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  • Matto said,
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    Many trads believe that Sister Lucy died and was replaced by an imposter. This would explain why she followed the Novus Ordo and Vatican II, because it wasn't really her. There are several threads on this site about it with pictures of the real Lucy and the imposter and they do look like two different people. I believe Tradition in Action has an article about it also.


    Ah yes, I forgot about that one - the fake Sister Lucy!!! I've read the articles on Tradition in Action and seen the pictures.

    Sorry, Matto, but this is just ludicrous.  Do Trads really have to come up with such nonsense in order to explain one of the contradictions at the heart of Fatima?

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    « Reply #3 on: October 10, 2014, 05:45:29 PM »
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  • It's one or the other, isn't it?  
    Either she was fake (and the heart of Roman freemasons is black as can be, and capable of anything), or - going by your initial statement a.c. - something is desperately wrong.  I fear we will never know until all is revealed.
    In the meantime, the fruits of Fatima are good and holy vs., for example, Medjugorje, wouldn't you say?

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    « Reply #4 on: October 10, 2014, 05:46:01 PM »
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  • I think it is more ludicrous that Sister Lucy would attend the Novus Ordo than to think she was replaced by an imposter.
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    « Reply #5 on: October 10, 2014, 05:50:30 PM »
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  • The convent records show Lucia Santos from Fatima died May 31, 1949.  If this is true, she never attended the Novus Ordo.
    Also she did not have to be alive to witness the 3rd secret being revealed.  Most saints  never saw the result of their work.
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


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    « Reply #6 on: October 10, 2014, 06:45:02 PM »
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    It's one or the other, isn't it?
    Either she was fake (and the heart of Roman freemasons is black as can be, and capable of anything), or - going by your initial statement a.c. - something is desperately wrong. I fear we will never know until all is revealed.
    In the meantime, the fruits of Fatima are good and holy vs., for example, Medjugorje, wouldn't you say?

    You've summed up my dilemma.  Either a fake Sister Lucy attended the Novus Ordo Mass for all those years in a Novus Ordo convent, and never once spoke out against Vatican II, or something is desperately wrong with Fatima.

    Meanwhile, what exactly are the fruits of Fatima?  To me, they seem to amount to little more than an endless fretting over the Consecration of Russia and the period of peace that is supposed to follow.  Didn't the real Sister Lucy quote Our Lady as saying, in the Second Secret, that,

    "... In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph.  The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, and she will be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world."


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    I think it is more ludicrous that Sister Lucy would attend the Novus Ordo than to think she was replaced by an imposter.

    How about if the real Sister Lucy was deceived?  What if Fatima is a deception, a decoy, intended to keep Catholics, particularly Traditionalists, distracted from what's really going on - which is the rise of the Antichrist?  After all, there have been 'miracles of the sun' reported at Medjugurje.  There was also a 'miracle of the sun' reported in 2013 in the Philipinnes on 'Divine Mercy' Sunday. What if Vatican II is actually the 'revolt' that St Paul refers to in 2Thessalonians 2:3?


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    The convent records show Lucia Santos from Fatima died May 31, 1949. If this is true, she never attended the Novus Ordo.
    Also she did not have to be alive to witness the 3rd secret being revealed. Most saints never saw the result of their work.

    Do you have a source for this?  Can this be proved?  

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    « Reply #7 on: October 10, 2014, 06:52:14 PM »
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  • Miseremini said,
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    The convent records show Lucia Santos from Fatima died May 31, 1949. If this is true, she never attended the Novus Ordo.
    Also she did not have to be alive to witness the 3rd secret being revealed. Most saints never saw the result of their work.


    Are you sure you're not getting mixed up with the date that Sister Lucy made her profession as a Discalced Carmelite?

    I found the following on the EWTN website.
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    In 1946, seeking a more contemplative life, Lucia entered the Carmelite convent of St. Teresa in Coimbra, where she made her profession as a Discalced Carmelite on May 31, 1949. She took the name Sister Maria Lucia of Jesus and the Immaculate Heart.


    https://www.ewtn.com/fatima/children/lucia.htm


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    « Reply #8 on: October 10, 2014, 06:52:20 PM »
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  • I clearly remember a video of sister lucy receiving communion from John Paul 2, standing and on the tongue, and then immediately grabbing his hand and arm in some sort of swooning celebrity hugging moment.

    Struck me as very odd at the time, since it was an inappropriate thing to do, given she has just received Our Lord, or, at least, thought she did.


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    « Reply #9 on: October 10, 2014, 07:05:06 PM »
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  • Here is Sister Lucy at the beatification of Jacinta and Francisco in 2000.

    Fast forward to 12.04 and you will see her meeting JPII.




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    « Reply #10 on: October 10, 2014, 07:10:25 PM »
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  • Let me remind everyone, please!  Catholics are not called to follow Sr. Lucy, we are called to follow Christ and His teachings, period.

    Do you think Sister Lucy will be at your side when you stand before God, when He asks you, DID YOU KEEP THE FAITH?

    If you want a pope that contradicts previous popes, then you have one.  That is not what the Church teaches however.  The pope does not change with the wind, times do not change Church teachings with ambiguous teachings.  The popes do not speak with both sides of their mouth, the Catholic church is not a "one size fits all" organization.

    How liberal can you get?  Wake up before you die united to a fake religion.  

    Sister Lucy, pray for us!


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    « Reply #11 on: October 10, 2014, 07:27:00 PM »
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  • Quote from: awkwardcustomer
    Here is Sister Lucy at the beatification of Jacinta and Francisco in 2000.

    Fast forward to 12.04 and you will see her meeting JPII.





    The part where she puts the hat on her head is pretty much the last straw. I can't believe that is the true Sister Lucy.

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    « Reply #12 on: October 10, 2014, 07:27:55 PM »
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  • Are you sure she is the actual Sister Lucy.  What evidence I have seen. I do not
    think so.
    The real Sister Lucy was removed before the New Order of Mass became official.
    There has been the facial recognition proofs posted on CI in the archives.
    See for yourself.

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    « Reply #13 on: October 10, 2014, 07:55:03 PM »
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    Here is Sister Lucy at the beatification of Jacinta and Francisco in 2000.

    Fast forward to 12.04 and you will see her meeting JPII.





    Thanks, but I think what I recall was when he gave her communion at Mass, not merely kissing his hand at a private audience with him.

    It was a very strange and irreverent thing to do at the moment of receiving communion.

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    « Reply #14 on: October 10, 2014, 07:59:35 PM »
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  • Just my observation, but before VII, she was very serious.  The woman saw the holiest of visions, some of which were terrifying.  Her demeanor - even as child - always reflected that.
    In some pictures where she is somewhat smiling, it is in the manner of, say, St. Terese - solemn and dignified.
    After VII, she seemed to be clownish and almost silly.  I could never reconcile the two personas, they are so distinct, or that she participated in the new church.  If she was privvy to visits of our Holy Mother, etc. she would not be part of the great deception.  

     

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