Author Topic: Seeking a valid Traditional Catholic Mass....Are there any out there? (Read 19950 times)

SeekerOfTruth · « **Reply #55 on:** September 06, 2014, 12:00:24 PM »

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For anyone who is interested in more information about the Church in Tampa send me a PM.

There is a good chance that I know Fr. Emilio Fattore better then anyone on CI.

Stay clear of the witchcraft, alien, vampire fan Louis Montelongo in Orlando.

This link is his facebook page, so it is public information.

https://www.facebook.com/frlouismontelongo

Just watch out for that the female "Troll" from St. Pete doesn't get in there and start a misinformation campaign along the lines we have already seen for other priests and chapels.

Fr. Fattore needs to know that the modernist diocese is actively gunning for Trads of all shades as per the orders of the modernist local Lynch man. It's been on his mind for at least 8 years and it galls him no end and with 2 or less years left in the job he has made it his priority to obliterate whatever he can before he goes. I can assure you this is entirely true and I once heard it straight from his horse's mouth !

ANYONE NOTICE THAT curioustrad is privy to Bishop Lynch's conversations that discuss "gunning for Trads of all shades" in the Tampa area??? curioustrad clearly says "I once heard it straight from his horse's mouth"

I would not trust a person who has that kind of access to Bp. Lynch. I doubt that Lynch would ever reveal that information to someone he does not trust.

Thanks for the admission that the original statement was a falsehood. I can understand the desire to preserve anonymity, however, you were under no obligation to say where you lived at all. In Trad Catholic theology we are never permitted to tell a falsehood for any reason whatsoever, but Novus Ordo theology uses "the lesser of two evils theory" all the time. For me that's a bad sign already.

As for me being the Novus Ordo infiltrator:

1/ I didn't say I had personal access to Lynch but he used to have a radio show once accessible on the web and he has spoken and written on his blog (still accessible for all the world to read) of his utter disdain for the Trad Mass on numerous occasions.

2/ I know several priests both Novus Ordo (who said the Trad Mass) and Traditional and a few lay people who have spoken with Lynch about the Trad Mass and there he has been far more forthcoming about his disdain and intent to do what he can to stem the rise of Traditionalists in his diocese.

All I can say is that I know about what I write and I can honestly say you are off to a very bad start with falsehood and "shopping around'. In the Scriptures Jesus simply tells Nathaniel to "Come and see" i.e. go to a Mass not spread rumors and gossip about validity of priests and supposed conversations with them on the internet where WE can neither verify the truth of what you claim you heard, and THEY cannot defend themselves.

Scripture is also very clear that the enemy of Truth always works in the darkness, but we are told to "Walk in the light".

1) I have admitted the wrongdoing and I apologize, but I did have to tell the posters the area where I am from in order for people to know what chapel to recommend to me.

2) ALSO I am still not sure which Trad group offers a valid priesthood or a valid Mass. My friend in the SSPX also did the same thing I am doing - RESEARCH. He never insulted me for studying the various Trad positions out there. He even recommended more Trad books for me to read during my search.

3) Accusing me of spreading rumors and gossip about the Trad priests I talked with is quite a stretch. I have never disparaged any Trad priest on this website or off of this website with any falsehoods or any insults. Also I have only stated information that I have been given by certain priests and perhaps I may have found it odd that the independent priest in Spring Hill has changed from a sede to an acceptance of the Francis papacy. Perhaps I should have left his location out of my commentary. Mea culpa. I guess I simply wonder why an independent Trad priest who believes Francis is Pope would not unite with the local bishop loyal to Francis and simply say the Latin Mass at a diocesan parish now that the Moto Propio has been issued. But then some posters on this site are saying that there are other independent priests that believe Francis is the true Pontiff and they too are remaining independent. I guess I do not understand why they remain independent unless the Moto Propio does not permit them to say the pre-1955 Mass.

4) If you think I am spreading rumors and gossip, then I ask you to look at the quote you posted above from GJC who says "Stay clear of the witchcraft, alien, vampire fan Louis Montelongo in Orlando." C'mon!!! You are pretty good at trying to make me look evil when you yourself are full of venom.

SeekerOfTruth · « **Reply #56 on:** September 06, 2014, 12:20:19 PM »

Quote from: curioustrad

Quote from: SeekerOfTruth
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Quote from: GJC
For anyone who is interested in more information about the Church in Tampa send me a PM.

There is a good chance that I know Fr. Emilio Fattore better then anyone on CI.

Stay clear of the witchcraft, alien, vampire fan Louis Montelongo in Orlando.

This link is his facebook page, so it is public information.

https://www.facebook.com/frlouismontelongo

Just watch out for that the female "Troll" from St. Pete doesn't get in there and start a misinformation campaign along the lines we have already seen for other priests and chapels.

Fr. Fattore needs to know that the modernist diocese is actively gunning for Trads of all shades as per the orders of the modernist local Lynch man. It's been on his mind for at least 8 years and it galls him no end and with 2 or less years left in the job he has made it his priority to obliterate whatever he can before he goes. I can assure you this is entirely true and I once heard it straight from his horse's mouth !

ANYONE NOTICE THAT curioustrad is privy to Bishop Lynch's conversations that discuss "gunning for Trads of all shades" in the Tampa area??? curioustrad clearly says "I once heard it straight from his horse's mouth"

I would not trust a person who has that kind of access to Bp. Lynch. I doubt that Lynch would ever reveal that information to someone he does not trust.

Thanks for the admission that the original statement was a falsehood. I can understand the desire to preserve anonymity, however, you were under no obligation to say where you lived at all. In Trad Catholic theology we are never permitted to tell a falsehood for any reason whatsoever, but Novus Ordo theology uses "the lesser of two evils theory" all the time. For me that's a bad sign already.

As for me being the Novus Ordo infiltrator:

1/ I didn't say I had personal access to Lynch but he used to have a radio show once accessible on the web and he has spoken and written on his blog (still accessible for all the world to read) of his utter disdain for the Trad Mass on numerous occasions.

2/ I know several priests both Novus Ordo (who said the Trad Mass) and Traditional and a few lay people who have spoken with Lynch about the Trad Mass and there he has been far more forthcoming about his disdain and intent to do what he can to stem the rise of Traditionalists in his diocese.

All I can say is that I know about what I write and I can honestly say you are off to a very bad start with falsehood and "shopping around'. In the Scriptures Jesus simply tells Nathaniel to "Come and see" i.e. go to a Mass not spread rumors and gossip about validity of priests and supposed conversations with them on the internet where WE can neither verify the truth of what you claim you heard, and THEY cannot defend themselves.

Scripture is also very clear that the enemy of Truth always works in the darkness, but we are told to "Walk in the light".

1) I have admitted the wrongdoing and I apologize, but I did have to tell the posters the area where I am from in order for people to know what chapel to recommend to me.

2) ALSO I am still not sure which Trad group offers a valid priesthood or a valid Mass. My friend in the SSPX also did the same thing I am doing - RESEARCH. He never insulted me for studying the various Trad positions out there. He even recommended more Trad books for me to read during my search.

3) Accusing me of spreading rumors and gossip about the Trad priests I talked with is quite a stretch. I have never disparaged any Trad priest on this website or off of this website with any falsehoods or any insults. Also I have only stated information that I have been given by certain priests and perhaps I may have found it odd that the independent priest in Spring Hill has changed from a sede to an acceptance of the Francis papacy. Perhaps I should have left his location out of my commentary. Mea culpa. I guess I simply wonder why an independent Trad priest who believes Francis is Pope would not unite with the local bishop loyal to Francis and simply say the Latin Mass at a diocesan parish now that the Moto Propio has been issued. But then some posters on this site are saying that there are other independent priests that believe Francis is the true Pontiff and they too are remaining independent. I guess I do not understand why they remain independent unless the Moto Propio does not permit them to say the pre-1955 Mass.

4) If you think I am spreading rumors and gossip, then I ask you to look at the quote you posted above from GJC who says "Stay clear of the witchcraft, alien, vampire fan Louis Montelongo in Orlando." C'mon!!! You are pretty good at trying to make me look evil when you yourself are full of venom.

curioustrad · « **Reply #57 on:** September 06, 2014, 01:34:49 PM »

As for the veracity of (3)

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3) (...)I have never disparaged any Trad priest on this website or off of this website with any falsehoods or any insults. (...)

Check out your own 4th point:

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4) If you think I am spreading rumors and gossip, then I ask you to look at the quote you posted above from GJC who says "Stay clear of the witchcraft, alien, vampire fan Louis Montelongo in Orlando." C'mon!!! You are pretty good at trying to make me look evil when you yourself are full of venom.

By wicked oversight on my part the rumor was not edited out by myself but you actually allude to it - I did not. You are spreading malicious libel in a public forum.

Rather than "prayerfully" considering the Trad options in your area (as you claim) it seems you hang out judgments in the wind to see if anything comes 'blowin' along and sure enough someone slams one of the clergy you mentioned and then you repeat it all over again.

I think I know your game !

AlligatorDicax · « **Reply #58 on:** September 06, 2014, 02:00:20 PM »

Quote from: SeekerOfTruth (Sep 04, 2014, 1:42 am)

So where do I turn for a valid Latin Mass??? I live between Tampa and Orlando.

Quote from: curioustrad (Sep 04, 2014, 7:43 pm)

BTW (from personal experience) the questioner lives in St. Petersburg so we have a problem with the location given.... (HINT: St. Pete is not between Orlando and Tampa)

Ya, I suppose many CathInfo readers here know as much about the geography of central Florida, as I once knew about where to look for Winona in Minnesota.

Quote from: SeekerOfTruth (Sep 06, 2014, (2:31 am)

BTW, I am not an enemy infiltrator. And yes I do live in St. Pete.

Well, it's [expletives deleted] about time, after your starter-posting, falsely claiming residence, had attracted 52 reply-postings, albeit in an amazingly brief 48 hours.

Indeed, last night I was waiting for a convincing refutation by 'SeekerOfTruth' about the accusation that he/she had posted a false claim about residence. Because without one, I would've been left with some really unflattering conclusions about 'SeekerOfTruth'. Let me just write that when I make a good-faith effort to be helpful to a specific person, that person risks a pointedly unpleasant response if I discover that my time has been deliberately wasted.

Quote from: SeekerOfTruth (Sep 06, 2014, (2:31 am)

As for my statement about living between Tampa and Orlando, I probably should have said Tampa Bay area, but I wrote what I wrote specifically because I did not want to give my exact location out because I myself do not trust the Modernists that might be on this site.

So you plainly lied, instead of using well-established or well-enough-defined regional names that would've been truthful without being overly "exact", e.g.:
• "central Florida" (small "c", because with capital "C", by local usage, it would exclude the Tampa Bay Area), or
• "west-central Florida" (which extends beyond the Tampa Bay Area, although arguably no farther east than the Polk Co./Osceola Co. border, thus excluding metro Orlando).

Quote from: SeekerOfTruth (Sep 04, 2014, 1:42 am)

Seeking a valid Traditional Catholic Mass .... Are there any out there?

Quote from: curioustrad (7:15 am)

I can understand the desire to preserve anonymity, however, you were under no obligation to say where you lived at all.

Ummm, that's "no obligation" only if you think it's fair to waste the time of many helpful CathInfo readers, to whom the title of the starter-posting gave no clue at all that most CathInfo readers are irrelevant to inquiries about the Mass that 'SeekerOfTruth' claims to seek, because they live hundreds or thousands of miles away.

'SeekerOfTruth'--and all others posting similar inquiries in CathInfo from time to time--should include a recognizable regional name in the title of the starter-posting. Or if really hunkered down in fear of Novus Ordo special operatives storming in through one's locked doors, just the name of the whole state or province. That's instead of wasting precious title characters with a totally uninformative afterthought, i.e.: ".... Are there any out there?".

curioustrad · « **Reply #59 on:** September 06, 2014, 02:25:04 PM »

Quote from: AlligatorDicax

Quote from: SeekerOfTruth (Sep 04, 2014, 1:42 am)
So where do I turn for a valid Latin Mass??? I live between Tampa and Orlando.

Quote from: curioustrad (Sep 04, 2014, 7:43 pm)
BTW (from personal experience) the questioner lives in St. Petersburg so we have a problem with the location given.... (HINT: St. Pete is not between Orlando and Tampa)

Ya, I suppose many CathInfo readers here know as much about the geography of central Florida, as I once knew about where to look for Winona in Minnesota.

Quote from: SeekerOfTruth (Sep 06, 2014, (2:31 am)
BTW, I am not an enemy infiltrator. And yes I do live in St. Pete.

Well, it's [expletives deleted] about time, after your starter-posting, falsely claiming residence, had attracted 52 reply-postings, albeit in an amazingly brief 48 hours.

Indeed, last night I was waiting for a convincing refutation by 'SeekerOfTruth' about the accusation that he/she had posted a false claim about residence. Because without one, I would've been left with some really unflattering conclusions about 'SeekerOfTruth'. Let me just write that when I make a good-faith effort to be helpful to a specific person, that person risks a pointedly unpleasant response if I discover that my time has been deliberately wasted.

Quote from: SeekerOfTruth (Sep 06, 2014, (2:31 am)
As for my statement about living between Tampa and Orlando, I probably should have said Tampa Bay area, but I wrote what I wrote specifically because I did not want to give my exact location out because I myself do not trust the Modernists that might be on this site.

So you plainly lied, instead of using well-established or well-enough-defined regional names that would've been truthful without being overly "exact", e.g.:
• "central Florida" (small "c", because with capital "C", by local usage, it would exclude the Tampa Bay Area), or
• "west-central Florida" (which extends beyond the Tampa Bay Area, although arguably no farther east than the Polk Co./Osceola Co. border, thus excluding metro Orlando).

Quote from: SeekerOfTruth (Sep 04, 2014, 1:42 am)
Seeking a valid Traditional Catholic Mass .... Are there any out there?

Quote from: curioustrad (7:15 am)
I can understand the desire to preserve anonymity, however, you were under no obligation to say where you lived at all.

Ummm, that's "no obligation" only if you think it's fair to waste the time of many helpful CathInfo readers, to whom the title of the starter-posting gave no clue at all that most CathInfo readers are irrelevant to inquiries about the Mass that 'SeekerOfTruth' claims to seek, because they live hundreds or thousands of miles away.

'SeekerOfTruth'--and all others posting similar inquiries in CathInfo from time to time--should include a recognizable regional name in the title of the starter-posting. Or if really hunkered down in fear of Novus Ordo special operatives storming in through one's locked doors, just the name of the whole state or province. That's instead of wasting precious title characters with a totally uninformative afterthought, i.e.: ".... Are there any out there?".

I think we need a lot more like this ! ROFL