Author Topic: Sedevacantists please respond (Read 6634 times)

Ad Jesum per Mariam · « **Reply #20 on:** October 06, 2013, 08:09:29 PM »

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There are probably better people to respond to this but here are my thoughts:

(a) I didn't think Akita was an approved apparition.

(b) Wrt La Salette, Our Lady does not say when this will happen to the Pope. This could be a future pope.

So the frightful crisis and the time of darkness is not now?

Bishop Williamson on LaSalette:

http://williamsonletters.blogspot.com/2009/02/rome-will-loose-faith-la-salette.html

Good article. It shows that the current crisis goes far beyond poor interpretation of Vatican II docuмents, and abuses in the so called "mass." Holy Mother Church has been eclipsed.

Ad Jesum per Mariam · « **Reply #21 on:** October 06, 2013, 08:16:15 PM »

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La Salette is approved .

False apparitions I dont comment on.

So where is your comment on La Salette?

La Salette has come to pass in our day.

So you believe that we are currently experiencing the crisis foretold by Our Lady of La Salette?

Malleus: La Sallette is by no means the only revelation. Our Lady of Fatima - Our Lady of Good Success - Pope Leo XIII 's vision prior to compiling the St Michael the Archangel Prayer (The full version)

Is Judgement day upon us? No one knows by Our Father in Heaven.

Look at Rome what do you see? Holiness? Vocations? A Pope who stands up against the evils of our day? By the fruits should you know them.

How long this trial lasts is anyones guess. Arianism lasted 300 years .

Has Elias or Enoch come? Not yet. Is the current Claimant the Anti Christ? I cannot say this.

But are we in a period of Heresy? Anyone who is in denial of that must have their head in the sand

Then you believe that we have had a Vicar during the crisis as Our Lady said?

Malleus 01 · « **Reply #22 on:** October 06, 2013, 08:39:02 PM »

I do not speculate on that any longer because neither sedevacantists nor members of SSPX obey him in all things.

If we go to Mass , obey the Commandmewnts frequent the Sacraments and believe and live as Catholics and keep ourselves unstained and pray our Holy Rosaries - This is not disobedience is it? There are no laws against these things.

Obedience is there to Keep Catholics on the straight and narrow.

In todays world - Obedience to Rome would have the opposite effect.

So the purpose of Obedience is rendered moot.

Therefore , who is or isnt Pope is a non issue - Not because we say so but because of Romes infidelity to Christ who is our King.

It remains our charge to always put GOD first.

songbird · « **Reply #23 on:** October 06, 2013, 08:48:21 PM »

Chapter 12 of Daniel states that the Continual sacrifice will come to an end. Much tribulation and then a time of peace after 3 and a half years pass of no sacrifice.

I do believe that this passage is very important and I do believe we are very close to this. Questions should run through our minds, like, the new order has no continual sacrifice, no Precious Blood. Without Christ's Blood, evil abounds, tribulation.

My question is, if no Precious Blood, then no clergy?!

For those, especially who wish to stay New Order, just read this passage and the commentary.

Ad Jesum per Mariam · « **Reply #24 on:** October 06, 2013, 09:55:38 PM »

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I do not speculate on that any longer because neither sedevacantists nor members of SSPX obey him in all things.

If we go to Mass , obey the Commandmewnts frequent the Sacraments and believe and live as Catholics and keep ourselves unstained and pray our Holy Rosaries - This is not disobedience is it? There are no laws against these things.

Obedience is there to Keep Catholics on the straight and narrow.

In todays world - Obedience to Rome would have the opposite effect.

So the purpose of Obedience is rendered moot.

Therefore , who is or isnt Pope is a non issue - Not because we say so but because of Romes infidelity to Christ who is our King.

It remains our charge to always put GOD first.

I hear you. I am just as upset about Rome's infidelity to Christ as you are. The point is Our Lady says we have a Pope during this crisis. That alone is enough reason to abandon sedevacantism completely. Prophecy is essential so that we are not swayed by the winds of doctrine (sedevacantism).

[11] And he gave some apostles, and some prophets, and other some evangelists, and other some pastors and doctors, [12] For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: [13] Until we all meet into the unity of faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the age of the fulness of Christ; [14] That henceforth we be no more children tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine by the wickedness of men, by cunning craftiness, by which they lie in wait to deceive. [15] But doing the truth in charity, we may in all things grow up in him who is the head, even Christ: Eph 4:11-15

The Pope must do the Consecration of Our Lady's Immaculate Heart to Russia with all the bishops to end the crisis. We are supposed to be praying for the Pope not deposing him! This is certainly a serious matter, for a huge punishment hangs in the balance. We can lawfully resist the Pope if He commands us to abandon the traditions of the Church. Our Lord did the same with the scribes and the Pharisees who apostatized (by all human means of judging). Deposing the Pope is not necessary in order to hold our traditions. There is everything to lose and nothing to gain in deposing the Pope.