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Re: Saint John Cantius Devout Ordinary Form versus Deum Masses.
« Reply #30 on: September 08, 2026, 04:47:02 PM »
Then in the next post he makes, he's already laughably dropping the mask, where he claimed on the other thread that he was friendly toward R&R / SSPX, but starts lashing them for denouncing the evil Novus Ordo Mass.
I love the SSPX and go to SSPX TLMs often. Many SSPX Priests hold the Indult Traditionalist Position that the TLM is Objectively Superior to the NOM, but both forms are Valid and give Grace. Some hold a slightly more extreme view. I hold the SSPX should accept Archbishop Lefebvre's original teaching and Father Ripperger's clear explanation of the subject and gain Canonical Status. But they already had Canonical Faculties given them by Pope Francis. They will have it again in 3-4 years, by around 2030 in my opinion, the 2000th Anniversary of Our Lord and Savior's Baptism.

Try to be a Man of Peace, Ladislaus. We can disagree about this issue without attacking each other. Christianity commands us to Love even our Enemies, Bless those who curse us, Pray for those who Persecute us, forbids us from using Foul Language, and tells us not to generally resort to insults and name-calling. Try to be a Good Christian. Our Lord Jesus Christ prayed for his Enemies who were killing Him and died with a Prayer of Love on His Blessed Lips. 

The World is in Chaos today because many Professing Christians, even Traditional Catholics, do not love like He did. Let's all try to be better Catholics, myself included. 

Re: Saint John Cantius Devout Ordinary Form versus Deum Masses.
« Reply #31 on: September 08, 2026, 04:51:23 PM »
Sacred Scriptures to back up what I said:


Be a man of peace


  • “Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.” (Matthew 5:9)
  • “If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.” (Romans 12:18)
  • “Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord.” (Hebrews 12:14)
  • “And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men.” (2 Timothy 2:24)

Love even our enemies

  • “But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.” (Matthew 5:44)
  • “But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you.” (Luke 6:27)
  • “Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves… Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.” (Romans 12:19–21)

Bless those who curse us

  • “Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.” (Luke 6:28)
  • “Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not.” (Romans 12:14)
  • “Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing.” (1 Peter 3:9)

Pray for those who persecute us

  • Matthew 5:44 and Luke 6:28 again.
  • “Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.” (Luke 23:34)

No foul language

  • “Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying.” (Ephesians 4:29)
  • “But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.” (Colossians 3:8)
  • “Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt.” (Colossians 4:6)

Do not generally resort to insults and name-calling

  • “Whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.” (Matthew 5:22)
  • “Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice.” (Ephesians 4:31)
  • “Speak evil of no man… but be gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.” (Titus 3:2)
  • “If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.” (James 1:26)
  • James 3:8–10 (the tongue blessing God and cursing men made in God’s likeness).

Christ prayed for those killing Him and died with a prayer of love

  • “Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.” (Luke 23:34)
  • “Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not.” (1 Peter 2:23)
  • “Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit.” (Luke 23:46)


“By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.” (John 13:35)


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Re: Saint John Cantius Devout Ordinary Form versus Deum Masses.
« Reply #32 on: September 08, 2026, 05:09:19 PM »

"munera" ("gifts")

Genesis 4:3

Factum est autem post multos dies ut offerret Cain de fructibus terrae munera Domino.
Cain offered "gifts" / "offerings" from the fruits of the earth.  There's nothing about the Latin "munera" that refers to a propitiatory blood sacrifice of a Victim.

As for the term "sacrificium" ...

Psalm 50:19
"Sacrificium Deo spiritus contribulatus; cor contritum et humiliatum, Deus, non despicies."
Psalm 50:23
"Sacrificium laudis honorificabit me..."
Hebrews 13:15
"Per ipsum ergo offeramus sacrificium laudis semper Deo, id est, fructum labiorum confitentium nomini eius."
Philippians 4:18
refers to almsgiving as "sacrificia"

and the big one ...

Leviticus 2 (all about bread, flour, etc. as "sacrifice" and "oblation")

1 When any one shall offer an oblation of sacrifice to the Lord, his offering shall be of fine flour, and he shall pour oil upon it, and put frankincense,
Anima cuм obtulerit oblationem sacrificii Domino, simila erit ejus oblatio; fundetque super eam oleum, et ponet thus,

2 And shall bring it to the sons of Aaron the priests: and one of them shall take a handful of the flour and oil, and all the frankincense, and shall put it a memorial upon the altar for a most sweet savour to the Lord.
ac deferet ad filios Aaron sacerdotes : quorum unus tollet pugillum plenum similae et olei, ac totum thus, et ponet memoriale super altare in odorem suavissimum Domino.

3 And the remnant of the sacrifice shall be Aaron's, and his sons', holy of holies of the offerings of the Lord.
Quod autem reliquum fuerit de sacrificio, erit Aaron et filiorum ejus, Sanctum sanctorum de oblationibus Domini.

4 But when thou offerest a sacrifice baked in the oven of flour, to wit, loaves without leaven, tempered with oil, and unleavened wafers, anointed with oil:
cuм autem obtuleris sacrificium coctum in clibano : de simila, panes scilicet absque fermento, conspersos oleo, et lagana azyma oleo lita.

5 If thy oblation be from the fryingpan, of flour tempered with oil, and without leaven,
Si oblatio tua fuerit de sartagine, similae conspersae oleo et absque fermento,

6 Thou shalt divide it into little pieces, and shalt pour oil upon it.
divides eam minutatim, et fundes super eam oleum.

7 And if the sacrifice be from the gridiron, in like manner the flour shall be tempered with oil:
Sin autem de craticula fuerit sacrificium, aeque simila oleo conspergetur :

8 And when thou offerest it to the Lord, thou shalt deliver it to the hands of the priest.
quam offerens Domino, trades manibus sacerdotis.

9 And when he hath offered it, he shall take a memorial out of the sacrifice, and burn it upon the altar for a sweet savour to the Lord.
Qui cuм obtulerit eam, tollet memoriale de sacrificio, et adolebit super altare in odorem suavitatis Domino :

10 And whatsoever is left, shall be Aaron's, and his sons', holy of holies of the offerings of the Lord.
quidquid autem reliquum est, erit Aaron, et filiorum ejus, Sanctum sanctorum de oblationibus Domini.

11 Every oblation that is offered to the Lord shall be made without leaven, neither shall any leaven or honey be burnt in the sacrifice to the Lord.
Omnis oblatio quae offeretur Domino, absque fermento fiet, nec quidquam fermenti ac mellis adolebitur in sacrificio Domino.

12 You shall offer only the firstfruits of them and gifts: but they shall not be put upon the altar, for a savour of sweetness,
Primitias tantum eorum offeretis ac munera : super altare vero non imponentur in odorem suavitatis.

Neither "munera", nor "sacrificia", nor "oblatio" necessarily refer to the blood sacrifice ...

only the term "Hostia" unambiguously and unequivocally refers to a the Sacrifice of a Victim.  THAT is why the Satanic Novus Ordo removed it and replaced it with the Jєωιѕн table prayer offering up the fruits of the earth and "work" of human hands, when God had cursed the earth in man's work.

Run along now, Nishant.

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Re: Saint John Cantius Devout Ordinary Form versus Deum Masses.
« Reply #33 on: September 08, 2026, 05:14:49 PM »
Sacred Scriptures to back up what I said:


Be a man of peace




Love even our enemies




Bless those who curse us




No foul language



Do not generally resort to insults and name-calling




Christ prayed for those killing Him and died with a prayer of love



So I guess that people should do as you say, not as you do.  Heretics deserve no "peace", but only the sword.  Of course, lest we forget that you're a pretentious hypocrite ...

Nishant (just in this thread) ...
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You Dimondist Schismatic you

Lol. What a Joker this Clown Ladislaus is.

Of course they are, you idiot.

How much more of a schismatic idiot do you want to display yourself as being.


Re: Saint John Cantius Devout Ordinary Form versus Deum Masses.
« Reply #34 on: September 08, 2026, 05:22:44 PM »
"munera" ("gifts")

Genesis 4:3

Factum est autem post multos dies ut offerret Cain de fructibus terrae munera Domino.
Cain offered "gifts" / "offerings" from the fruits of the earth.  There's nothing about the Latin "munera" that refers to a propitiatory blood sacrifice of a Victim.

As for the term "sacrificium" ...

Psalm 50:19
"Sacrificium Deo spiritus contribulatus; cor contritum et humiliatum, Deus, non despicies."
Psalm 50:23
"Sacrificium laudis honorificabit me..."
Hebrews 13:15
"Per ipsum ergo offeramus sacrificium laudis semper Deo, id est, fructum labiorum confitentium nomini eius."
Philippians 4:18
refers to almsgiving as "sacrificia"

and the big one ...

Leviticus 2 (all about bread, flour, etc. as "sacrifice" and "oblation")

1 When any one shall offer an oblation of sacrifice to the Lord, his offering shall be of fine flour, and he shall pour oil upon it, and put frankincense,
Anima cuм obtulerit oblationem sacrificii Domino, simila erit ejus oblatio; fundetque super eam oleum, et ponet thus,

2 And shall bring it to the sons of Aaron the priests: and one of them shall take a handful of the flour and oil, and all the frankincense, and shall put it a memorial upon the altar for a most sweet savour to the Lord.
ac deferet ad filios Aaron sacerdotes : quorum unus tollet pugillum plenum similae et olei, ac totum thus, et ponet memoriale super altare in odorem suavissimum Domino.

3 And the remnant of the sacrifice shall be Aaron's, and his sons', holy of holies of the offerings of the Lord.
Quod autem reliquum fuerit de sacrificio, erit Aaron et filiorum ejus, Sanctum sanctorum de oblationibus Domini.

4 But when thou offerest a sacrifice baked in the oven of flour, to wit, loaves without leaven, tempered with oil, and unleavened wafers, anointed with oil:
cuм autem obtuleris sacrificium coctum in clibano : de simila, panes scilicet absque fermento, conspersos oleo, et lagana azyma oleo lita.

5 If thy oblation be from the fryingpan, of flour tempered with oil, and without leaven,
Si oblatio tua fuerit de sartagine, similae conspersae oleo et absque fermento,

6 Thou shalt divide it into little pieces, and shalt pour oil upon it.
divides eam minutatim, et fundes super eam oleum.

7 And if the sacrifice be from the gridiron, in like manner the flour shall be tempered with oil:
Sin autem de craticula fuerit sacrificium, aeque simila oleo conspergetur :

8 And when thou offerest it to the Lord, thou shalt deliver it to the hands of the priest.
quam offerens Domino, trades manibus sacerdotis.

9 And when he hath offered it, he shall take a memorial out of the sacrifice, and burn it upon the altar for a sweet savour to the Lord.
Qui cuм obtulerit eam, tollet memoriale de sacrificio, et adolebit super altare in odorem suavitatis Domino :

10 And whatsoever is left, shall be Aaron's, and his sons', holy of holies of the offerings of the Lord.
quidquid autem reliquum est, erit Aaron, et filiorum ejus, Sanctum sanctorum de oblationibus Domini.

11 Every oblation that is offered to the Lord shall be made without leaven, neither shall any leaven or honey be burnt in the sacrifice to the Lord.
Omnis oblatio quae offeretur Domino, absque fermento fiet, nec quidquam fermenti ac mellis adolebitur in sacrificio Domino.

12 You shall offer only the firstfruits of them and gifts: but they shall not be put upon the altar, for a savour of sweetness,
Primitias tantum eorum offeretis ac munera : super altare vero non imponentur in odorem suavitatis.

Neither "munera", nor "sacrificia", nor "oblatio" necessarily refer to the blood sacrifice ...

only the term "Hostia" unambiguously and unequivocally refers to a the Sacrifice of a Victim.  THAT is why the Satanic Novus Ordo removed it and replaced it with the Jєωιѕн table prayer offering up the fruits of the earth and "work" of human hands, when God had cursed the earth in man's work.

Run along now, Nishant.
Idiotic objection. And Cain's sin was not in offering a bread and wine offering, since even the Law of Moses permits and ordains such things. Rather it was IN DESPISING GOD AND DELIBERATELY OFFERING something cheap and of less value WHEN AN ANIMAL SACRIFICE WAS EASY AND POSSIBLE TO HIM! It's like when God says in Malachi that those who offer the bad lambs from their flocks rather than the Lambs without Blemish (types of Christ) are sinning. We should offer to God the best we can. Try to keep up.