Author Topic: Responses to the Crisis: Conciliar Church = Catholic Church? (Read 11397 times)

Guardian · « **Reply #75 on:** January 15, 2020, 07:18:51 PM »

I am sure everyone is familiar with Saint Athanasius quote: "Even if Catholics, faithful to Tradition, are reduced to a handful, they are the Ones who are the True Church of Jesus Christ". By way of reasoning, how can any one or group not faithful to Catholic Tradition be the True Church of Jesus Christ? Archbishop Lefebrve settled on a position of "Conversion before Contact" with respect to Rome. Again, by way of logic, if the True Church was the Conciliar Church in Rome, why would the Archbishop say that it has need of conversion? Is not the Conciliar Church in Rome the one that changed; the one that denies the very doctrines upon which the Catholic Church has held for centuries? Is it not Bishop Fellay along with the new Superior General and their supporters the ones who are leading the SSPX into communion with this Conciliar Church. I believe it is those who hold the traditions of the Church of All Ages that make up the True Church of Jesus Christ. These are without doubt difficult and trying times, though with all confidence, we must be assured that our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ is firmly in control. "Fortitudine et Deo Duce Ferro Comitante"

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #76 on:** January 15, 2020, 08:19:32 PM »

Quote from: SeanJohnson on January 15, 2020, 05:09:37 PM

It was against the position of Fr. Gleize that Bishop Tissier wrote the article I posted on P.1 of this thread.

As for Bishop Fellay, he believes the "official" (i.e., conciliar) church = the Catholic Church.

This is because, as a means to achieving his ralliement, he must do away with distinguishing in any substantive manner between the conciliar and Catholic Church: How could he explain joining the former when Archbishop Lefebvre so famously stressed the duty to remain separate from it?

In this regard, Bishop Fellay utterly rejects Archbishop Lefebvre, and multiple priests could testify that in the retreats Bishop Fellay preaches to priests, in the reading of Spiritual Journey, Bishop Fellay skips right over the famous command of Lefebvre that “It is, therefore, a strict duty for every priest wanting to remain Catholic to separate himself from this Conciliar Church for as long as it does not rediscover the tradition of the Church and of the Catholic Faith.” (Abp. Lefebvre, Spiritual Journey, p. 13).

Bishop Fellay is a traitor, and he knows it.

That's why he skips that passage in the retreats he preaches to priests:

He doesn't want them to perceive the contradiction between Lefebvre and himself.

And they, for the most part, don't read Lefebvre anyway (at least not his polemical works: They are semi-conscious that it is a thought-crime, and steer clear of him), so the "oversight" passes without a glitch; perhaps a momentary discomfort, until CRIMETHINK smothers any remaining tremors of cognitve dissonance.

XS is giving you neo-SSPX doctrine (contradicted by 40 years testimony to the contrary).

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Pozzo · « **Reply #77 on:** January 15, 2020, 08:24:45 PM »

Quote from: Guardian on January 15, 2020, 07:18:51 PM

I am sure everyone is familiar with Saint Athanasius quote: "Even if Catholics, faithful to Tradition, are reduced to a handful, they are the Ones who are the True Church of Jesus Christ". By way of reasoning, how can any one or group not faithful to Catholic Tradition be the True Church of Jesus Christ? Archbishop Lefebrve settled on a position of "Conversion before Contact" with respect to Rome. Again, by way of logic, if the True Church was the Conciliar Church in Rome, why would the Archbishop say that it has need of conversion? Is not the Conciliar Church in Rome the one that changed; the one that denies the very doctrines upon which the Catholic Church has held for centuries? Is it not Bishop Fellay along with the new Superior General and their supporters the ones who are leading the SSPX into communion with this Conciliar Church. I believe it is those who hold the traditions of the Church of All Ages that make up the True Church of Jesus Christ. These are without doubt difficult and trying times, though with all confidence, we must be assured that our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ is firmly in control. "Fortitudine et Deo Duce Ferro Comitante"

I’ve always liked that quote.

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #78 on:** January 15, 2020, 08:31:09 PM »

Quote from: SeanJohnson on January 15, 2020, 05:09:37 PM

It was against the position of Fr. Gleize that Bishop Tissier wrote the article I posted on P.1 of this thread.

As for Bishop Fellay, he believes the "official" (i.e., conciliar) church = the Catholic Church.

This is because, as a means to achieving his ralliement, he must do away with distinguishing in any substantive manner between the conciliar and Catholic Church: How could he explain joining the former when Archbishop Lefebvre so famously stressed the duty to remain separate from it?

In this regard, Bishop Fellay utterly rejects Archbishop Lefebvre, and multiple priests could testify that in the retreats Bishop Fellay preaches to priests, in the reading of Spiritual Journey, Bishop Fellay skips right over the famous command of Lefebvre that “It is, therefore, a strict duty for every priest wanting to remain Catholic to separate himself from this Conciliar Church for as long as it does not rediscover the tradition of the Church and of the Catholic Faith.” (Abp. Lefebvre, Spiritual Journey, p. 13).

Bishop Fellay is a traitor, and he knows it.

That's why he skips that passage in the retreats he preaches to priests:

He doesn't want them to perceive the contradiction between Lefebvre and himself.

And they, for the most part, don't read Lefebvre anyway (at least not his polemical works: They are semi-conscious that it is a thought-crime, and steer clear of him), so the "oversight" passes without a glitch; perhaps a momentary discomfort, until CRIMETHINK smothers any remaining tremors of cognitve dissonance.

XS is giving you neo-SSPX doctrine (contradicted by 40 years testimony to the contrary).

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SeanJohnson · « **Reply #79 on:** January 15, 2020, 08:36:35 PM »

Quote from: SeanJohnson on January 15, 2020, 05:09:37 PM

It was against the position of Fr. Gleize that Bishop Tissier wrote the article I posted on P.1 of this thread.

As for Bishop Fellay, he believes the "official" (i.e., conciliar) church = the Catholic Church.

This is because, as a means to achieving his ralliement, he must do away with distinguishing in any substantive manner between the conciliar and Catholic Church: How could he explain joining the former when Archbishop Lefebvre so famously stressed the duty to remain separate from it?

In this regard, Bishop Fellay utterly rejects Archbishop Lefebvre, and multiple priests could testify that in the retreats Bishop Fellay preaches to priests, in the reading of Spiritual Journey, Bishop Fellay skips right over the famous command of Lefebvre that “It is, therefore, a strict duty for every priest wanting to remain Catholic to separate himself from this Conciliar Church for as long as it does not rediscover the tradition of the Church and of the Catholic Faith.” (Abp. Lefebvre, Spiritual Journey, p. 13).

Bishop Fellay is a traitor, and he knows it.

That's why he skips that passage in the retreats he preaches to priests:

He doesn't want them to perceive the contradiction between Lefebvre and himself.

And they, for the most part, don't read Lefebvre anyway (at least not his polemical works: They are semi-conscious that it is a thought-crime, and steer clear of him), so the "oversight" passes without a glitch; perhaps a momentary discomfort, until CRIMETHINK smothers any remaining tremors of cognitve dissonance.

XS is giving you neo-SSPX doctrine (contradicted by 40 years testimony to the contrary).

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