Author Topic: Proof of the current sede vacante (Read 4716 times)

Belloc · « **Reply #15 on:** October 30, 2009, 09:56:41 AM »

Still to fit your papal quotes,etc...you have to join a Masonic lodge, not merely address one (likely sinful in another category) or talk to a mason.....

Did they actually join a Lodge somewhere at sometime??

was it wrong for Popes to address Bnai? yes-it was..was it wrong for him to address Trilateral Commission, yes it was...does not prove he joined them nor that he lost his seat over it......

tadeas · « **Reply #16 on:** October 30, 2009, 09:57:21 AM »

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All who as christians have become freemasons are automatically excomunicated.

even if-I mean a big IF-these events happened, does not mean those men joined Masons.....

Paul VI, John Paul II and Benedict XVI didn't need to join Masons to be excomunicated, it's sufficient to support or invite them.

Belloc · « **Reply #17 on:** October 30, 2009, 10:02:48 AM »

speaking does not support an organization.....and your quote refers strictly to joining a Lodge and participating in it..

speaking to groups another issue....not right, likely sinful, but another issue......you keep trying to ignore your own quote's meat and tie them to it.......read it again, apply it....

tadeas · « **Reply #18 on:** October 30, 2009, 10:04:26 AM »

Quote from: Belloc

Still to fit your papal quotes,etc...you have to join a Masonic lodge, not merely address one (likely sinful in another category) or talk to a mason.....

Did they actually join a Lodge somewhere at sometime??

was it wrong for Popes to address Bnai? yes-it was..was it wrong for him to address Trilateral Commission, yes it was...does not prove he joined them nor that he lost his seat over it......

"Wherefore We command most strictly and in virtue of holy obedience, all the faithful of whatever state...that none, under any pretext or for any reason, shall dare or presume... to receive them in their houses or dwellings... be present with them... give power or permission for them to meet elsewhere, to help them in any way, to give them in any way advice, encouragement or support." (In Eminenti)

They invited Masons in Vatican, gave them a space for their meeting in Vatican, supported them verbally...

Belloc · « **Reply #19 on:** October 30, 2009, 10:04:28 AM »

part of it may apply, true, but can you yourself say you are fee of this? You know everyone's pqast theat has come under your roof???

Belloc · « **Reply #20 on:** October 30, 2009, 10:09:29 AM »

Well, wil lahve to go with my earlier assertation, last Pope was Gregory XVI..there that, wil lchange my mind (if Raou lcan do it within time of one post, so too can I)....

last Pope Gregory XVI..there then.....

Belloc · « **Reply #21 on:** October 30, 2009, 10:09:59 AM »

opps, there goes my spellign again, silly me....sorry CM, only you and you alone are Perfect..... :roll-laugh1:

Belloc · « **Reply #22 on:** October 30, 2009, 10:11:33 AM »

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Quote from: Belloc
Still to fit your papal quotes,etc...you have to join a Masonic lodge, not merely address one (likely sinful in another category) or talk to a mason.....

Did they actually join a Lodge somewhere at sometime??

was it wrong for Popes to address Bnai? yes-it was..was it wrong for him to address Trilateral Commission, yes it was...does not prove he joined them nor that he lost his seat over it......

"Wherefore We command most strictly and in virtue of holy obedience, all the faithful of whatever state...that none, under any pretext or for any reason, shall dare or presume... to receive them in their houses or dwellings... be present with them... give power or permission for them to meet elsewhere, to help them in any way, to give them in any way advice, encouragement or support." (In Eminenti)

They invited Masons in Vatican, gave them a space for their meeting in Vatican, supported them verbally...

How then do we convert them, if we cannot look at them, be in same room, talk to them, write to them, carrier pigeon.etc....Did not Jesus talk to the sinful Mary Magdalene???

but...anyway, no Pope since Gregory XVI....

tadeas · « **Reply #23 on:** October 30, 2009, 10:11:53 AM »

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speaking does not support an organization.....and your quote refers strictly to joining a Lodge and participating in it..

My quote in OP refers not only to joining a Lodge. Read it again!

Quote from: Belloc

part of it may apply, true, but can you yourself say you are fee of this? You know everyone's pqast theat has come under your roof???

A bad deed may be a sin only if is done knowingly and willingly.

Belloc · « **Reply #24 on:** October 30, 2009, 10:14:54 AM »

again, I am pulling a Raoul, changed my mind 1-2 minute ago, last Pope is GFregory XVI, so Iwill now pull a CM and say you then, in light of this, are also a heretic anti-pope supproter and will thrown in a favorite of his== :heretic:

Thankfully, I know all supernaturally....

last Pope Gregory XVI, anyone disagrees is a heretic (did I do good CM, did I did I??)

tadeas · « **Reply #25 on:** October 30, 2009, 10:20:17 AM »

Quote from: Belloc

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Quote from: Belloc
Still to fit your papal quotes,etc...you have to join a Masonic lodge, not merely address one (likely sinful in another category) or talk to a mason.....

Did they actually join a Lodge somewhere at sometime??

was it wrong for Popes to address Bnai? yes-it was..was it wrong for him to address Trilateral Commission, yes it was...does not prove he joined them nor that he lost his seat over it......

"Wherefore We command most strictly and in virtue of holy obedience, all the faithful of whatever state...that none, under any pretext or for any reason, shall dare or presume... to receive them in their houses or dwellings... be present with them... give power or permission for them to meet elsewhere, to help them in any way, to give them in any way advice, encouragement or support." (In Eminenti)

They invited Masons in Vatican, gave them a space for their meeting in Vatican, supported them verbally...

How then do we convert them, if we cannot look at them, be in same room, talk to them, write to them, carrier pigeon.etc....Did not Jesus talk to the sinful Mary Magdalene???

1.
Do you see an effort by JP2 or B16 to convert them?
2.
You can talk to a mason to convert him on the street, you can send him some apologetic materials...

Belloc · « **Reply #26 on:** October 30, 2009, 10:25:55 AM »

Sometimes we convert people by our actions, not our words...

so, I can only talk to a Mason on the streets,then?

Last Pope, Gregory XVI...

tadeas · « **Reply #27 on:** October 30, 2009, 10:26:21 AM »

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There are a couple of us here who do not see the chair of Peter as vacant even though we reject the v2 anti-popes since 1958. We of course believe that Gregory XVII was True Pope( for better or for worse) until 1989.

Over a 30 yr period he would have appointed a Curia in petto and they would have elected a new Pope although I do not know who it is.

Sorry, my thread title is misleading. It is the proof of antipapacy of Paul VI, John Paul II and Benedict XVI. As to Siri, I don't have a settled opinion.

Belloc · « **Reply #28 on:** October 30, 2009, 10:40:16 AM »

Siri could not be for several reasons:

1. had he actually gotten majority of ballots, then we have a problem as he either resigned under threats or pressure-either not good light for him and not courageously dfending the Fiath.Eithr way, if he stepped down andrefused investiture, he refused it, end of story.One could say he was eelcted, but never crowned Pope...not that he was all the time he was in "captivity"....
2. he was elected and was quickly moved to undisclosed location for 30-40 yrs, talking to no one, no one missed him, no one he slipped a note to saying "hey, I am a captive" or soemthing like that
3. he confides in all that time with an obscure and unknown young Fillipino priest that is now all of a sudden a star over it
4. Several pics of him, he does not look like a captive
5.No Pope since Gregory XVI, remember...

tadeas · « **Reply #29 on:** October 30, 2009, 10:50:35 AM »

Quote from: Belloc

Sometimes we convert people by our actions, not our words...

so, I can only talk to a Mason on the streets,then?

The essential is what you are not to be allowed to do, and this is said in the bull In Eminenti. Take it or leave it.