Author Topic: Proof of the current sede vacante (Read 4973 times)

Belloc · « **Reply #15 on:** October 30, 2009, 09:56:41 AM »

Still to fit your papal quotes,etc...you have to join a Masonic lodge, not merely address one (likely sinful in another category) or talk to a mason.....

Did they actually join a Lodge somewhere at sometime??

was it wrong for Popes to address Bnai? yes-it was..was it wrong for him to address Trilateral Commission, yes it was...does not prove he joined them nor that he lost his seat over it......

tadeas · « **Reply #16 on:** October 30, 2009, 09:57:21 AM »

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All who as christians have become freemasons are automatically excomunicated.

even if-I mean a big IF-these events happened, does not mean those men joined Masons.....

Paul VI, John Paul II and Benedict XVI didn't need to join Masons to be excomunicated, it's sufficient to support or invite them.

Belloc · « **Reply #17 on:** October 30, 2009, 10:02:48 AM »

speaking does not support an organization.....and your quote refers strictly to joining a Lodge and participating in it..

speaking to groups another issue....not right, likely sinful, but another issue......you keep trying to ignore your own quote's meat and tie them to it.......read it again, apply it....

tadeas · « **Reply #18 on:** October 30, 2009, 10:04:26 AM »

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Still to fit your papal quotes,etc...you have to join a Masonic lodge, not merely address one (likely sinful in another category) or talk to a mason.....

Did they actually join a Lodge somewhere at sometime??

was it wrong for Popes to address Bnai? yes-it was..was it wrong for him to address Trilateral Commission, yes it was...does not prove he joined them nor that he lost his seat over it......

"Wherefore We command most strictly and in virtue of holy obedience, all the faithful of whatever state...that none, under any pretext or for any reason, shall dare or presume... to receive them in their houses or dwellings... be present with them... give power or permission for them to meet elsewhere, to help them in any way, to give them in any way advice, encouragement or support." (In Eminenti)

They invited Masons in Vatican, gave them a space for their meeting in Vatican, supported them verbally...

Belloc · « **Reply #19 on:** October 30, 2009, 10:04:28 AM »

part of it may apply, true, but can you yourself say you are fee of this? You know everyone's pqast theat has come under your roof???