Author Topic: Possible Roman scheme against the SSPX (Read 17141 times)

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #50 on:** September 15, 2011, 04:01:25 PM »

The chastisement is a done deal, we've already been garaunteed there will be one. Yes I agree we shouldn't just sit around, but to say the crisis will be resolved (or will be closer to being resolved) once the SSPX is recognized by the Novus Ordo community is incorrect. The NO community needs to recognize Tradition itself, that's what is important.

By the way, I really feel what Blackie posted a page or two back about Bishop Williamson should be deleted. That was one of the dumbest things I have ever read, and by posting such a thing he seems to be implying +Williamson is not even a member of the Catholic Church.

Caminus · « **Reply #51 on:** September 15, 2011, 04:32:05 PM »

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The chastisement is a done deal, we've already been garaunteed there will be one. Yes I agree we shouldn't just sit around, but to say the crisis will be resolved (or will be closer to being resolved) once the SSPX is recognized by the Novus Ordo community is incorrect. The NO community needs to recognize Tradition itself, that's what is important.

Do you understand what the word "contingent" means? These prophecies of chastisement have been with us since the very beginning, in Old Testament times up to the present. Do you think the world and the Church would be chastised if the members therein were obeying God's Law? No, it wouldn't and that is what we are to work towards. The juridical recognition of the SSPX is a step towards that goal. For example, rooting out the toxic doctrine and practice of ecuмenism will be a great boon for the Church, who else would do that but the Society priests? Their voice is suppressed and considered irrelevant because they are allegedly "irregular". Whether you like it or not, jurdical recognition is a necessary component in this process of restoring the Church. You're putting words into my mouth viz. the magical resolution of the crisis.

Elizabeth · « **Reply #52 on:** September 15, 2011, 06:06:38 PM »

Quote from: SpiritusSanctus

The chastisement is a done deal, we've already been garaunteed there will be one. Yes I agree we shouldn't just sit around, but to say the crisis will be resolved (or will be closer to being resolved) once the SSPX is recognized by the Novus Ordo community is incorrect. The NO community needs to recognize Tradition itself, that's what is important.

By the way, I really feel what Blackie posted a page or two back about Bishop Williamson should be deleted. That was one of the dumbest things I have ever read, and by posting such a thing he seems to be implying +Williamson is not even a member of the Catholic Church.

SS, I think Blackie was quoting text from Benedict XVI's book, Light of the World.

I feel the same distress at those words, however.

Gregory I · « **Reply #53 on:** September 15, 2011, 07:50:15 PM »

Uh....does anybody here think the present state of the Church is NOT a chastisement ITSELF?!

I think this IS the great chastisement:

To have to doubt 95% of the sacraments being offered by the "church" because 95% of the clergy has been invalidly ordained, using sacramental rites that are no longer "sacraments" because of invalid matter!

The gravity here is that Such priests (95% of Priests Identifying themselves as Catholic) offer:

1. Invalid Mass.
2. Invalid Confession.
3. Invalid Confirmation.
4. Invalid Unction.
5. Invalid Orders.
6. Valid marriage (With seriously compromised rites)
7. Valid Baptism (With Butchered Rites)

I am NOT the only one who sees this as a Chastisement, right?

By the way, we have no Supreme Pontiff that we know of (He may be underground), Almost all the theologians are compromised, the majority of the faithful don't know squat about the faith, and the Catholic church is now infected with tares (heretics, schismatics and apostates) to such a degree, that 95% of churches claiming to be Catholic no longer look ANYTHING like the Catholic Church. And realistically, the majority of people who attend them are not even REALLY Catholic anymore, effectively speaking.

What else needs to happen to be a chastisement?

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #54 on:** September 15, 2011, 09:00:34 PM »

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Quote from: SpiritusSanctus
The chastisement is a done deal, we've already been garaunteed there will be one. Yes I agree we shouldn't just sit around, but to say the crisis will be resolved (or will be closer to being resolved) once the SSPX is recognized by the Novus Ordo community is incorrect. The NO community needs to recognize Tradition itself, that's what is important.

By the way, I really feel what Blackie posted a page or two back about Bishop Williamson should be deleted. That was one of the dumbest things I have ever read, and by posting such a thing he seems to be implying +Williamson is not even a member of the Catholic Church.

SS, I think Blackie was quoting text from Benedict XVI's book, Light of the World.

I feel the same distress at those words, however.

I know, but the first thing he said in his post was "Bishop Williamson is the issue" then proceeded to post crapolla from Benedict's book on how +Williamson isn't really a member of the Chuch.