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Offline Matthew

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Possible Roman scheme against the SSPX
« on: September 13, 2011, 09:54:01 PM »
PereJoseph posted a couple posts that jumped out at me. I believe they deserve their own thread!


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I will not be surprised if Bishop Fellay takes the deal, but would be if he rejects it.  The Vatican knows what it is doing and will obviously submit a docuмent for Fellay's decision that he cannot justify rejecting; and, in true NO fashion, it will mot likely contain a few phrases that entirely compromise the SSPX position, popular phrases that allow them to ruthlessly rub their victory in the faces of the SSPX bishops while maintaining a gentle smile appropriate for an art gala.  Of course, accepting this docuмent would be incredibly short-sighted, if the official talking points are any indication :  Already John Zhulsdorf's blog and the news story that gives quotations from Jean-Marie Guenois show that the SSPX position on religious liberty will be warmly embraced by the NO establishment... as a private and legitimate theological opinion.  This docuмent will therefore define the doctrines of the Church as not doctrines at all, only opinions.  The SSPX will be left alone for a while, and in one more generation, Rome has the precedent to tighten its grip.  The SSPX cause will lose steam and the only real Catholics twenty years from now will be sedevacantists or those loyal to Bishop Williamson's group that will surely be started after the deal is made.  He will be called schismatic and is now isolated by the Judaeo-Masonic media and European governments, who will persecute him (and perhaps us ?), etc., Rome wins the diplomatic chess game and Bishop Fellay will prove himself to be a great fool and a liberal, though he will be heralded as a generous and heroic son of the Church.

Here is an example about how crafty Rome is that I think will be instructive. This was told to me by my fiancée who heard it from French non-una cuм priest who left the SSPX. He said that Bishop Fellay and Menzingen have long desired to expel Bishop Williamson from the SSPX but that Rome gave them specific instructions not to do so. This is genius on the part of Rome, and it is clear why. First -- and perhaps this has not been considered as the Romans' intentions by Menzingen, not that this point would be spoken of by either Rome or Menzingen, which increases its impression, -- it puts more pressure on Menzingen in order to save their window of opportunity to (i) save their German apostolate and (ii) capitalise on the opportunity afforded them by Ratzinger's friendly disposition before he dies in the potentially near future. This pressure is efficient because it is all on Menzingen and is not mentioned. Second, Rome surely has read everything Bishop Williamson has written and knows what he cannot abide. Their deal can easily be tinted such that it will ensure Bishop Williamson leaves of his own accord, now an easy target for the label of schism and a magnet for the liberal-bourgeois world's hatred. He will bring all of those unwilling to coöperate with him, and they will quickly become irrelevant in NO establishment circles. Done deal; Rome achieves a coup from the inside, nullifies the momentum and vigour of the Archbishop's message, and turns his true followers into lepers who cursed themselves as untouchable by their stiff-necked decision to pursue formal schism. Meanwhile the SSPX will have been regularised in the NO establishment, as all the papers will let everybody know.


I have long suspected (in my worst nightmares, of course) that something like this would happen -- that the Crisis would get worse before it gets better. The SSPX is just too juicy a target for adversaries like the devil, the Freemasons, and Conciliar Rome to leave alone. If the Catholic Church founded by Christ could be infiltrated and damaged from the inside, who would claim that a mere BRANCH of the tree would be somehow immune?

Well, if this speculation actually comes to pass I'll be doing a bit of editing to the header of this forum...

Possible Roman scheme against the SSPX
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2011, 09:59:52 PM »
This is what I suspected as well, although I wasn't as good at expressing it as PereJoseph.


Offline Matthew

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« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2011, 10:05:10 PM »
You know, the way Bishop Williamson (and the true traditional Catholic cause) is being treated by the SSPX leadership, I'd say there could be a split in the SSPX no matter WHAT happens on September 14.

Maybe the reason there hasn't been a split is because +W hasn't been kicked out yet, and he's a good obedient man?

But if a false agreement were reached, +W would be forced in conscience to act, and not go along with it. That's when the masks would come off and he'd be kicked out, encouraged to quit, etc.

Then they'd have their split. That's actually the only way I ever see an SSPX split happening.

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Possible Roman scheme against the SSPX
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2011, 10:10:35 PM »
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...I have long suspected (in my worst nightmares, of course) that something like this would happen -- that the Crisis would get worse before it gets better. The SSPX is just too juicy a target for adversaries like the devil, the Freemasons, and Conciliar Rome to leave alone. If the Catholic Church founded by Christ could be infiltrated and damaged from the inside, who would claim that a mere BRANCH of the tree would be somehow immune?...


The damage seems to often come from the leader of the sspx particularly recently.

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Well, if this speculation actually comes to pass I'll be doing a bit of editing to the header of this forum...


Great!

Possible Roman scheme against the SSPX
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2011, 10:12:35 PM »
I could no longer consider myself a supporter of the SSPX if Bishop Williamson is kicked out. The fact that Fellay wants to kick him out only shows the flaws in his leadership skills...