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Offline Telling

Re: Popes against praying for decreased non-catholics
« Reply #35 on: September 14, 2026, 07:56:12 AM »
Maria Dolorosa said: "Instead of hoping that such souls ended up in purgatory, it would be far more useful to pray approved prayers for the dying on a daily basis, that they may be saved, even at the last hour."

Agreed with the Bolded. Praying for the Dying of the Day is a Very Solid Devotion with many Traditional Approvals. Thanks for your Post, Maria. God Bless.
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Re: Popes against praying for decreased non-catholics
« Reply #36 on: September 14, 2026, 10:06:27 AM »
Quote from: AnthonyPadua on September 14, 2026, 07:22:18 AM


>We just don't know
>Don't judge
>Never judge
>Pray for everyone


Don't forget one more thing:

>We are not Pharisees
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Re: Popes against praying for decreased non-catholics
« Reply #37 on: September 14, 2026, 12:40:46 PM »
Quote from: Telling on September 14, 2026, 07:56:12 AM
Maria Dolorosa said: "Instead of hoping that such souls ended up in purgatory, it would be far more useful to pray approved prayers for the dying on a daily basis, that they may be saved, even at the last hour."

Agreed with the Bolded. Praying for the Dying of the Day is a Very Solid Devotion with many Traditional Approvals. Thanks for your Post, Maria. God Bless.

Well, perhaps we can agree on something.

That is why the Popes who condemned praying for departed non-Catholics need to be obeyed.  They knew that blithely doing so would lead to religious indifferentism.  If some who lived their entire lives outside the Church (to all appearances) end up saved by some great Mercy of God, then ... they're saved, and perhaps their punishment in part consists in spending more time in Purgatory.  Yes, they suffer, but it's nothing compared to eternity in Hell.  But having such as these spend extra time in Purgatory is better than having Catholics slide into religious indifferentism.  Similarly, the Church witheld Christian burial to ѕυιcιdєs out of CHARITY, since it's much better to hurt some people's feelings than to have those in grave circuмstances or severe depressed think that they might as well just punch their ticket to a "better place", where they could find relief from their suffering.
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Re: Popes against praying for decreased non-catholics
« Reply #38 on: September 14, 2026, 12:44:00 PM »
Quote from: Russiantrad on September 14, 2026, 10:06:27 AM
Don't forget one more thing:

>We are not Pharisees

Speak for yourself.  :laugh1:

Seriously, though, there's a bit of Pharisee in all of us.  We benfit nothing from the parable about the Pharisee and Publican if we secretly "identify with" the Publican and almost say, as it were that, "thank God I'm not like that Pharisee."  God intends for us to benefit by discovering and uprooting the Pharisaical tendencies, the leaven of the Pharisees, from our own souls, even if its presence there is far more subtle than what the Pharisees put on display.

Finally, what, pray tell, do you mean by being "Pharisees"?  So people who obey the Popes in this matter are Pharisees because ... said so?
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Re: Popes against praying for decreased non-catholics
« Reply #39 on: September 14, 2026, 01:06:57 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on September 14, 2026, 12:44:00 PM
Speak for yourself.  :laugh1:

Seriously, though, there's a bit of Pharisee in all of us.  We benfit nothing from the parable about the Pharisee and Publican if we secretly "identify with" the Publican and almost say, as it were that, "thank God I'm not like that Pharisee."  God intends for us to benefit by discovering and uprooting the Pharisaical tendencies, the leaven of the Pharisees, from our own souls, even if its presence there is far more subtle than what the Pharisees put on display.

Finally, what, pray tell, do you mean by being "Pharisees"?  So people who obey the Popes in this matter are Pharisees because ... said so?
I do not even believe in Baptism of Desire.

I simply added one more phrase to Anthony’s list—a phrase that some traditionalist priests use when attacking those who dared to suggest that all pagans are lost.:laugh2:

I personally heard the phrase about the Pharisees from an SSPX priest. Alas, gaslighting...
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