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Offline AnthonyPadua

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Re: Popes against praying for decreased non-catholics
« Reply #30 on: March 14, 2026, 05:33:10 PM »
You cannot even do a syllogism. Your intellectual level is far too low to even be worth discussing with me.

I shall stop wasting my time.

If you ever want to improve, I would suggest studying logic and aristotelian philosophy first.

Godspeed.
You come across as a midwit. You should humble yourself and accept the statements from the Popes. Catholics are not to pray for deceased non -catholics. 

Why do so many trads struggle to accept Catholic authority? You lot do the same with the errors of BoD and co. You pick and choose based on your feeling and not the proper ORDER of authority, this is no different from what protestants do.

Offline OABrownson1876

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« Reply #31 on: March 15, 2026, 01:04:35 PM »
A little prudence in all things:  Will I pray for JFK, yes, because I am told on good authority that he went to confession the day he was αssαssιnαtҽd.  If the Catholic Nancy Peℓσѕι dies tomorrow, will I say a rosary for her - No. I wish her to save her soul, but the circuмstances are far different.  

In the case of non-Catholics there is a different principle involved, especially if the person did not seem to make any movement toward the Church.  I know people were caught up with the whole "Charlie Kirk is a martyr" attitude after the assassination.  My take is, if Charlie Kirk went to hell, it was probably due to his utter stupidity, for marrying a woman who obviously had a shady, questionable past. 


Re: Popes against praying for decreased non-catholics
« Reply #32 on: March 15, 2026, 03:33:16 PM »
So, we are supposed to judge the heart of the deceased?  I always pray to Our Lady. If the person is lost, She will redirect the prayer to whom she sees fit. No prayer goes to waste. There are just some people whose condition at death you do not know.
Unless you are the strictest of Feeneyites and a staunch Jansenist, you don’t know for sure the person was a validly, practicing Catholic in the state of grace, don’t bother praying for them?  Is it not better to err on the side of mercy rather than judgment? 
We don't know ANYONE'S condition at death... period...and that will include ourselves when we die until Jesus reveals it to us.
We could be chained to someone our whole life or be a siamese twin and we still wouldn't know the condition of the other person's soul at death.

As for praying conditionally... if that were a thing wouldn't it be in at least one prayer book?

Just say, "I pray for the souls in purgatory, especially anyone I know and owe and love."

Re: Popes against praying for decreased non-catholics
« Reply #33 on: March 15, 2026, 04:19:29 PM »
I have a suggestion that is in accordance with the teachings of the Popes as AP graciously shared with us, and that will also satisfy piety. 

Use prayers for the holy souls in purgatory that have ecclesiastical approval. 

We are not supposed to be Protestants, who feel at complete liberty to pray totally in our own words, and as we please. Catholics are supposed to pray in the manner that Our Lord taught us, and according to the approval of the Church, as we can see in the prayers of Holy Mass, approved Catholic prayer books, the Divine Office, indulgenced prayers, and so on. 

Even in instances of mental prayer, we are taught by the saints and spiritual authors how to pray in our own words that is in a manner befitting Our Lord; with due humility and love, always with submission to the truths of our holy, Catholic Faith. 

The traditional Catholic prayer book of indulgences, The Raccolta from 1910 is available online, so I will here give some prayers that will satisfy the most ardent longings to relieve the Holy Souls in purgatory. https://archive.org/details/theraccoltaorcol00unknuoft/page/n373/mode/2up







For those who are concerned about saving those who are without the state of grace on their deathbed:

Instead of hoping that such souls ended up in purgatory, it would be far more useful to pray approved prayers for the dying on a daily basis, that they may be saved, even at the last hour. 

There is a two-volume work entitled "The Agonising Heart" (referring to the Heart of Jesus), by the Rev. Fr. Blot, 1869. https://archive.org/details/agonisingheart00blotgoog/page/n261/mode/2up

It contains ecclesiastical approval, and from p. 235 has devotions for the dying. I will give some of those prayers here.










Offline AnthonyPadua

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« Reply #34 on: Today at 07:22:18 AM »
It really gives me bad 'feelings' in my gut when I hear trad priest says things like,

>We just don't know
>Don't judge
>Never judge
>Pray for everyone 

Nevermind that the Holy Office said we are to profess that infidels are damned. Where are these trad priests getting this rubbish from?