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Re: Autobiography of Archbishop Thuc
« Reply #830 on: September 11, 2026, 11:46:50 AM »
This article gives what appears to be an unbiased history of the Algerian priest, of French-Jєωιѕн lineage, Fr. Noel Barbara.

At the time of his birth, French Algiers had a substantial population of Saharan and Sephardic jews.

We can see from this bio, he was a definite insider to the formative TLM movement.

In hindsight, knowing the confusion & damage done to the TLM by his actions,  it's not wrong to ask...
"Was he an agent provocateur?" (A person who secretly disrupts a group's activities from within the group; an instigator, a troublemaker. )


'Strong in the Faith': Fr Noël Barbara + a new series on The WM Review
Fr Noël Barbara was one of the early pioneers in the defense of the faith after Vatican II – and yet his writings are not well-known in the Anglosphere.
S.D. Wright
Aug 26, 2025


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Fr Noël Barbara was one of the early pioneers in the defense of the faith after Vatican II – and yet his writings are not well-known in the Anglosphere.
Editor’s Notes


The WM Review is launching a new project, serialising the editions of Fr Noël Barbara’s Fortes in Fide.
Fr Noël Barbara was a French priest, and one of the first to take a clear stand against Vatican II. He soon concluded that the post-conciliar claimants to the papacy were not true popes, and he later embraced the so-called “Cassiciacuм thesis” of Bishop Guérard des Lauriers.


In 1965, he began publishing a catechetical review named Forts dans la Foi.1 In the 1970s, Fr Peter Morgan – the first English priest ordained by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre for the SSPX, and now a “sedevacantist” himself – took steps to have an English edition produced. Barbara agreed and funded the launch.
The English version of the review ran until 1993, in three distinct and discrete formats. The first series ran from 1975-9 and was translated by Morgan.


The second ran intermittently in the period 1981-7, under the auspices of the group Union pour la Fidelité. Barbara’s involvement with this group eventually ended, due to differing perspectives. The English version was translated by Maj. J.J. Horton.


The third ran from 1988-93, and was translated by Rama P. Coomaraswamy.

Who was Fr Barbara?

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For convenience, much of the following biographical information has been taken from the obituary published in French by the defunct website Catholique Sedevacantiste.2
Fr Barbara was born on Christmas Day, 1910. When asked his name, he amusingly answered “Le père Noël” (Father Christmas). He was of Algerian extraction (a “Pied-noir”) and was ordained in 1938 in Algeria itself.
He was a prisoner of war in the Second World War, where he met the future Fr Georges Vinson – a novice of Fr Vallet’s group, the Congregation of the Parish Cooperators of Christ the King (CPCR).
Vinson was another of the first to oppose the Novus Ordo liturgy (in 1969) and to conclude that the post-conciliar claimants were not true popes.


Barbara eventually returned to mainland France, where he himself joined CPCR in the diocese of Valence. As we have discussed previously, this organisation was focused on delivering five-day versions of St Ignatius’s Spiritual Exercises in a parish setting. The CPCR also provided the SSPX with Fr Ludovic Barrielle, who became Ecône’s spiritual director and “passed on the flame of the Spiritual Exercises of St Ignatius to future priests of the Society of St Pius X.”3


In short, the CPCR, Fr Vallet and the earlier Retreats for Workers movement all had a long-lasting and under-appreciated effect on the “traditionalist” reaction to Vatican II.
Forts dans la foi

Fr Barbara’s early writing career focused on explaining the sacrament of marriage to the laity, as well as fundamental aspects of apologetics (e.g., the immortality of the soul and the existence of God.)
After Vatican II, he founded Forts dans la Foi and published a bimonthly review. For a time, he was associated with Abbé Georges de Nantes of the Contre-reforme catholique.


Frère Gerard, Abbé de Nantes, Fr Barbara

In 1971, he published an explosive article by the then-Fr Guérard des Lauriers – the first of its kind, at least in French – which argued that attending the Novus Ordo constituted a sin against the faith.
He engaged with many other leading figures in the Catholic resistance at the time, including Fr Joaquín Sáenz y Arriaga and Abbé Coache, with whom he organized several “Marches on Rome” – which included oaths of fidelity to the traditional Latin Mass, and prayer vigils under the windows of Paul VI. He appears to the left of Archbishop Lefebvre in the famous pictures taken with Padre Pio in 1967.4

Archbishop Lefebve meets Padre Pio title=Archbishop Lefebve meets Padre Pio

The lack of authority in the post-conciliar claimants

In 1975, he published La bergerie du Christ et le loup dans la bergerie (“The Sheepfold of Christ and the Wolf in the Sheepfold”), in which he explained the problems of Vatican II as follows:


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“Being obliged to limit myself, I shall mention, among all the novelties rejected, only the new Mass, religious liberty, the new ecclesiology, ecuмenism, and the new doctrine on the salvation of non-Catholics.”
“I have already said it, but it is good to repeat it. This problem being a matter of faith, the solution can be found only in the light of that same virtue. How is one to proceed? By a very simple reasoning, flowing from the demands of faith.
“Before formulating it, it is essential to recall that faith is a theological virtue which, despite all contrary appearances, leads us to hold the word of God as absolutely true and certain in what it affirms. Indeed, the Apostle states: Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen” (Heb. XI, 1).
“Here, then, is the reasoning of the believer in search of understanding. It rests upon two truths of faith.

  • First truth of faith. This is clearly taught by St Paul in the epistle to the Romans. There, God commands us to be subject to all authority. Indeed, we read in chapter XIII: “Let every soul be subject to higher powers: for there is no power but from God; and those that are, are ordained of God. Therefore he that resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist purchase to themselves damnation.”
  • Second truth of faith. I have already emphasised it in presenting the problem: it is God himself who, through the theological virtue of faith, commands believers to resist the orders of these “popes”.
“Reasoning of faith. In the light of these two revealed truths, which he accepts, the believer, “in search of understanding”, seeks to comprehend. He says to himself: God, who is Truth itself, cannot contradict himself. His Son has assured us: “Every kingdom divided against itself shall be made desolate” (Mt. XII, 25).
He offered the following solution to this dilemma:
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“… Since the faith assures us that all authority comes from God, and that in resisting established authorities one resists God who established them, we are forced to conclude that in commanding us to resist the ‘popes’ of Vatican II, the faith assures us that these popes are deprived of the authority they ought to have; they are deprived of the very essence of the papacy. In effect, God – who sees all, who knows all – would never command us to resist them, if these popes were clothed with pontifical authority, if they were truly Peter, the Vicars of his Son.”
In 1976, resolving the tension between the Catholic teaching on the papacy and the role of Paul VI in the Vatican II revolution, he accused Paul VI as follows:
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“Schismatic, heretic, apostate from the faith, Paul VI has committed spiritual ѕυιcιdє, he left the Mystical Body of Christ of his own accord, and has excommunicated himself.”
He also stated:
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“I refuse to ask anything of them [the modernist authorities] because I recognise no power in them so long as they have not publicly retracted their heresies which themselves are public […]
“We shall denounce and fight against the New Mass […]
“[A]s for the sanctions which the present usurpers of the hierarchy might take against us, we hold them to be null and void because […] in those who separate themselves from the Church, there remains absolutely no spiritual power over those who remain within the Church.”

Difficult relations with others

At this time, he maintained relations with both Mgr François Ducaud-Bourget and Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre – although relations with the latter broke down in 1980. After this time, he wrote an open letter to the priests of the SSPX, and wrote a critique entitled Ecône Full Stop.


He also came to break with Abbé de Nantes, based on his policy of sharply criticising the Novus Ordo and accusing Vatican II of schism, whilst also exhorting his adherents to remain in their parishes and recognise the conciliar hierarchy as legitimate. He asked, scathingly:

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“How can an intelligent man seriously be a member of the CRC of Abbé de Nantes?”5
Barbara also condemned the 1983 episcopal consecration of Guérard des Lauriers, like many others. Also like others, he considered Guérard des Lauriers to be a man of poor practical judgment. He later changed his position on the consecration, retracted his condemnation and published a defence of Guérard des Lauriers’ actions.
In 1991, he also came to accept Guérard des Lauriers’ “Cassiciacuм thesis” as menetioned. He then began collaborating with the Institute Mater Boni Consilii (IMBC).
Conclusion

Some might criticise Barbara for his changes of position, ruptures and denunciations of others in the resistance to Vatican II. He himself replied to these criticisms:

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“Only those who do nothing never make mistakes,” says an old proverb. Engaged in the resistance as I have been from the very first hour, and when no one had been prepared for it, missteps were inevitable — and they occurred. As it is said in the Gospel, let the one among my readers who is without sin cast the first stone... Since I became a priest, every time I have become aware of an error, or it has been pointed out to me, God has given me the grace never to settle into it. Always, I have withdrawn from it as quickly as possible, whatever humiliation the reparation might have cost me.”
Some of Barbara’s changes in position are evident as the English editions of Fortes in Fide progress. Nonetheless, the material which they contain is of such value in itself, and such interest extrinsically and historically, that we shall be making them conveniently available to readers of The WM Review.
Whether one considers the changes and tensions to reflect poorly or well on Barbara, and whether one believes he passed from truth to error or error to truth, he remains an important and interesting figure in the post-conciliar period – along with other lesser-known men from the period, including:

… and many more.
Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre’s legacy is well-known – at least, parts of it are – but it is certainly worth our while studying and understanding these other men’s words and decisions, even if we do not agree or adopt them for ourselves.


Notes on the texts

They were originally published and typeset by the late James E. McNally, Jr. When he died, his website was rehosted by Griff Ruby.
On McNally’s own site, he wrote:

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Nothing on this site is believed subject to copyright laws. In some cases, there never was a copyright. In others, permission from the author to release the file on the Internet has been obtained. In still others, the copyright should have long expired. The site operator does not believe in imposing an "electronic copyright" (the validity of which is extremely dubious in any event) on material not of his own composition.
He stated that the material on his site may be freely distributed, but that his text files should not be modified in any way. His own disclaimers showed great concern about the possibility of bad actors tampering with the material, to the detriment of the faith. Operating as he was at the early stages of the internet, McNally’s text files are not easy to read on modern devices – and some of the files require considerable work in order to make it work on a modern website.
Because of this, we will be reformatting the text itself for The WM Review, whilst ensuring that his text files are accessible to readers and for anyone who fears that the text has been modified.




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Re: Autobiography of Archbishop Thuc
« Reply #831 on: September 12, 2026, 08:15:04 AM »

http://www.the-pope.com/fif.html

In his publication Fortes In Fide in 1993 (Issue # 12) Fr. Barbara announced his retirement at the age of 83,  and that the periodical would cease publication.  In that issue he wrote almost 50 pages, and even though most of the issue was on the subject of the consecrations of Abp. Thuc, only 2 sentences clearly stated that he was retracting his condemnation of Abp. Thuc's consecrations.  So, buried in a discussion both diversionary and defensive, he finally stated that he had switched his position.  It would be easy for people to miss it, since he was rehashing old arguments. 

What Fr. Barbara said:
" Thanks to God's grace, I have never been committed to error.  Whenever I have found I was wrong, I have quickly escaped, despite the humiliation that making reparation entails."

What Fr. Barbara did:
He waited until his retirement, and 10+ years after his defamation campaign against Abp. Thuc and his consecrations of 1981, to finally issue a retraction, buried in a long article, in which he states:

"Whether he be good or bad, he was a bishop of the Holy Roman Catholic Church when he conferred the Episcopacy on R. P. Guerard des Lauriers and on Fathers Carmona and Zamora. Therefore the judgment which we made about this matter in the "Union pour la Fidelity" was completely wrong and should be retracted.  This I have already done and now do so again."


"This I have already done" 
In 1993 he issues a retraction that is easy to miss.  Did he issue a retraction, as he said, before this publication- when and where? Was it done in an obscure manner, without publicity- as he does here- so it would hardly be noticed?

Also, as seen from the video posted above, another priest named Fr. Horowitz, has recently taken Fr. Barbara's old defamations of Abp. Thuc and continues on the internet with the same campaign.   


Re: Autobiography of Archbishop Thuc
« Reply #832 on: September 12, 2026, 09:32:57 AM »

We can safely say the minds and motivations of French jews are complex.

We will never understand them.

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Re: Autobiography of Archbishop Thuc
« Reply #833 on: Yesterday at 08:08:06 AM »
http://www.einsicht-aktuell.de/index.php?svar=2&ausgabe_id=303&artikel_id=3618
October, 1983
The Full Text of Bp. Zamora's Letter of Testimony: 


FALSE BISHOPS AND TRUE BISHOPS
by
H.E. Bishop Adolphus Zamora H.

God made bishops to govern the Catholic Church, in the first place the Pope, when he is a legitimate successor to Peter, not when he is illegitimate.

But since the call of the Second Vatican Concillium, so called Pastoral, not Dogmatic, spiritual shepperds became "wolves with a lamb skin" inside the herd (the Catholic Church, which was changed at the same time) and which they started to dwindle spiritually.

The great majority of bishops seconded out of obedience sedicent Pope Paul and signed the Acts of such "Concillium", except for a few among whom were Archbishops Lefèbvre and Thuc, faithful Concilliar Fathers, called since then "conservative or traditionalists" for faithfully defending catholic teachings, secularly traditional.

Monsignor Lefèbvre upon witnessing the aposthasy of so many clergymen, seriously protested and wrote a book called "I ACCUSE THE CONCILLIUM", a book that earned him the title of "the Rebel Bishop", "the Antipope", etc. He went on forming priests whom he ordained lithurgically and traditionally, since his first seminary at Ecône, or later on, until in April 1979, although he did not subject himself fully to John Paul II, as his immediate antecesors Usurping Antipope of the Apostholic Site, he requested the False Pope to accept the admission of his new clergy as a collaborator of the bishops, but continuing to be "traditionalists." Of course, J.P. II rejected such an outrageous request that meant infiltration inside the New Postconcilliar Church; although it seemed at that time that the lefèbvrist priests were to be under the jurisdiction of postconciliar bishops.

One of Bishop Lefèbvre's motives to take such a decision, by the way, inconsequential, despite his avowed purpose of taking care of souls was that ten years had elapsed without a legitimate Pope, the Church would cease to exist without its visible head, without Pope, a good reason - for him - to accept J.P.II, despite his being heretical, cismatic and an aposthate; at least - he said - the Catholic Church without a Pope would lose its Visibility...

Old Monsignor Lefèbvre seemed to have forgotten that there were Antipopes in the past, one of them Clement III during 20 long years. On the other hand, doubtless he knew how could he ignore it? the prophecies regarding these times when we are seeing "wolves-shepperds with sheepskin" and "false prophets", etc.

The death of Paul VI nearing, Monsignor Lefèbvre promised that, once Paul VI were dead, he would consecrate bishops; but meanwhile, he did not want to, despite the insistence of concientious catholics regarding the lack of True Bishops in the Catholic Church. By then, Monsignor Lefèbvre seemed to be an honest catholic; but he ceased to be one, as has already been told, on April 1979.

Monsignor Thuc was left solitary, banished in Europe, where he was unable to return to his Archdioceses at Hue, South Vietnam, after the so called Second Vatican Concillium, and from where Paul VI removed him, though illegally; it is obvious that already an octogenarian and somewhat discouraged for having been betrayed by the bishops that he had consecrated at El Palmar de Troya, Spain, the same that after being consecrated, did not want to obey him and were separated to the Schism, that still exists since then, the 70's.

Since Monsignor Lefèbvre did not fulfill his promise of consecrating bishops and Monsignor Thuc wished to leave catholic bishops to the True Church, before due to his advanced age he were unable by his mental faculties to do it, he decided to consecrate them, starting with the dominican priest and Laureate Doctor, born in France, Gerard des Lauriers, on May 1981 and on October that same year,, two Mexicans, priests of the Resistance against Heresy, Moisés Carmona R, of the expiatory temple in Acapulco, Guerrero and the mercedary clergyman Adolfo Zamora Hernández. They, in their turn, at the request of Monsignor Thuc, consecrated in Acapulco, Guerrero, Mr. Priest, a Texan, George J. Nussey on April 1, 1982 and June 18 of the same year, the very meritorious priests Roberto Martínez Gutiérrez, of Zamora, Michoacán, and Benigno Bravo Valadez, of the Lord of Forgiveness Sanctuary at Iguala, Guerrero, being Monsignor Carmona R the consecrant.

Monsignor Mussey, on August 24, 1982, at the franciscan temple in Buffalo, New York, U.S.A., consecrated the no less meritorious franciscan brother Fray Louis Vezelis, Dean of the Rochester Catholic Seminary, being Monsignor Carmona and Monsignor Zamora H. the consecrants.

This is the list of true bishops who are honest catholics:

4 in Mexico: Carmona, Zamora, Martinez and Bravo;
2 in the United States, Mussey and Vezelis;
1 in France, Des Lauriers,
the first, that added to Monsignor Thuc, make up 8.

With them the Apostholic Succession of the Catholic Church is assured and saved. Aside from this - the wellinformed know this - there are other cismatic bishops, not only those from El Palmar de Troya, but also the Greek ones, now already depending on the Russian Patriarch, that assume their "apostholic origin" but in reality are heretical at the same time. The Mexican cismatic are already united to the others.

Jєωιѕн ATTACK ON CATHOLIC BISHOPS

Three months after Monsignor Thuc consecrated his first three legitimate successors, Father Barbará, of Jєωιѕн-French origin, started to disprestige Monsignor Thuc and his bishops calling them "cismatic" who should be thoroughly rejected. The attack was made public from his monthly magazine, where Le Monde of Paris took notice and news agencies (in Jєωιѕн hands, as other information media) made the news fly, certainly sensational, but false. That is now they were taken for its pages by the Mexico City dailt newspapers, such as La Prensa, El Universal and Excélsior, where many read not only lies but also other similar addenda.

The worst consequence was not that the progressive clergy had believed to the letter the falsity, but that even priests considered as "traditionalists" had believed the barbaric slander.

"That bishops consecrated by the Vietnamese bishop are cismatic like himself ... that the consecrations are valid but illicit since there was no Papal license ... that such bishops are at least "suspended" by Canonical Right (as also bishop Cortés, from Chilapa) ... that they were consecrated with 1the Modern Ritual..." and so on with the same yellow press tone.

The validity of consecrations made by Monsignor Thuc and of the consecrated ones made so by him, is firmly grounded in the non-interpolated Canonical Right, besides the Traditional Eclesiastic Magistery. The validity is therefore real, since there is no legitimate Pope, the illicit thing would have been to request the Usurper the election and everything else so that there were catholic bishops, being him anything you want except catholic.

To accuse Monsignor Thuc of cismatic because he has consecrated cismatic bishops at El Palmar de Troya, would be the same as accusing the bishops who have consecrated those that later on became heretic or cismatic; because, as has been said, after having received the consecration from Monsignor Thuc - as he himself has said several times and nobody has said it is untrue - "they went into the schism". Who has thought that the bishop who ordained Martin Luther is heretic as Luther himself? Nobody.

Father Barbará that pressumes of being a "traditionalist" with his slanders has become a public detractor and slanderer of catholic bishops and a good collaborator of the progressive ones and their blodd equals the Jєωιѕн.

Monsignor Thuc has also been accused of having consecrated with the Modern Ritual. This was also a gratuituous and falsa accusation; because the only witnesses of such consecrations were those who gave Monsignor Thuc the lithurgical books, being those persons the most attentive, together with Monsignor Thuc, in making those consecrations follow the apostholic successions of the Traditional Catholic Church. Besides, the consecrated ones themselves would not had accepted Progressive Rituals, being them persevering catholics interested in following the Catholic Tradition.

When Monsignor Carmona R, just recently consecrated, was attacked in a Pastoral Letter by the progressive bishop of Chilapa Monsignor Cortés (six months after he died) he defended himself in a legitimate manner with another Open Letter, invoking valid arguments of Sacred Theology and Canonical Right, besides others. He then reminded Monsignor Cortés - who had declared him cismatic in his Pastoral Letter and not even as bishop; anyway, he "suspended" him and declared void all his ministerial acts - that before taking up the Episcopal Consecration he thought it a great deal before God and took into account the Rules of Right (II of Pope Gregory IX and 88 of Pope Bonifatius VIII. Rule 4th of Pope Gregory IX says: "Need makes licit what is illicit", and the 88 by Bonifatius VIII: "It is true that sins against the law he who adheres to the letter of the law and decries its spirit".

"It is for everyone to see - said Monsignor Carmona - the need for catholic bishops as well for catholic priests, since there are so many faithful catholics who do not have the priestly ministry, that need and look for a way to receive the Holy Sacraments, etc., catholics, not modernists, that is false ones."

"It is not reasonable to assume - he continued - that the legislator had attempted to damage the Catholic Church so much, in whose favor he gave those laws, that by the Vacant Site it could not be delivered to consecrate catholic bishops and, therefore, to ordain true priests, nor administer Sacraments, celebrate Masses ..."

If we continue like this, without true priests nor true bishops (there were only left at the start of the decade out of 80, 2: Monsignor Thuc and Monsignor Lefèbvre, at least publicly known), the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass would be ended, and it cannot be ended because it is perpetual and is sustained by the promise of the Lord: "For I AM with you all the days till the consummation of the centuries" (a promise impossible not to keep) and Luther's statement would have become true (in these or similar words): Let us put an end to the Mass and we shall have finished with the Church. On the other hand, the vehement desire of International Judaism: Destroy down to its basis the Church of Jesus, the son of man, not the Man-God. And they would sing victory, the communists, as well as the masons that have announced the very near, very near death of God ... (Nonsense, of course).

Monsignor Thuc himself in his Declaration at Munich, on February 25 1982, said, among other illuminating statements, what follows: "I believe that after fifty years this Holy Sacrifice of the Mass will not be celebrated any more." He also declared: "I as a bishop of the Roman Catholic Church deem that the Site of the Roman Church is Vacant and that I, as a bishop, must do all I can and must so that the Roman Catholic Church lasts for the salvation of souls."

Look here the faithful bishop of Jesus Christ, legitimate successor of the Apostles, seconding "in all I can and must" the apostholic work in our days, when it seemed "the Church of Christ was completely 'demolished'."

If one can recognize great merit to catholic theologians who are the defenders of the True Faith and Religion, sometimes writing illuminating books, sometimes collaborating in catholic magazines and newspapers, sometimes teaching by word of mouth the clear and pure Truth on the so called Second Vatican Concillium, the merit of Monsignor Thuc seems all the greater as initiator of the restoration of the Catholic Church consecrating catholic bishops. How Monsignor Lefèbvre would have been deserving consecrating bishops!

Well-informed persons regarding the background of Progressism and of the so called Second Vatican Concillium, mischievously presented by Paul VI as only Pastoral, etc., know that International Religious Judaism is the intellectual author, at least, of the so called Demolition of the Catholic Church. We would not err if we said that its plot against the Church is secular and not of a few centuries, due to the peculiar character and satanic tendency of all good Jews against Jesus Christ and his Church.

In the Bible we can read the black history of the Jєωιѕн people, illuminated by turns of divine interventions; that lets you see a series of treacheries to God, the Only True God, that climaxed with the deicide by crucifixion of the Lord, the Only Born from the Father; because - they said and continue saying - "being a man you call yourself God, Son of God and God as the Father ..."

"Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets that have been sent to you ..." said in divine reproach Jesus Christ Himself - that also announced or heralded the destruction of the Holy City, of which there would not be left "stone upon stone".

What is more, the same ones who asked for the death of the Lord, asked in their own words: "Let His blood fall upon us and upon our sons! (in their maximum expression of satanical hatred against, the Lord).

"Sons of Satan of the Devil" He Himself told them too, not in passionate retribution for their calling Him "bedeviled", servant of Belzebub, prince of the demons, but in clear manifestation of the adjectives they had earned on account of their bad to worse conduct towards Him and towards the Celestial Father.

In the same way Lucifer did not want to recognize and adore the Incarnate Word nor serve him, since he knew the Divine Plan of Redemption for sinful Humanity, in the same way the Jews did not want to recognize Jesus Christ, Incarnate Word, despite their knowing the prophecies about Him. They are still waiting for the Messiah, a reason for not accepting the Church founded by Him.

It is true that it was founded on and with persons of the Jєωιѕн race, as He himself was; but he founded ANOTHER CHURCH, since the Mosaic one was deformed, profaned, based more on human traditions than on the Law of God.

"Because of this - he told them publicly- The Kingdom of Heaven and God will be given to others, after having been taken from them (Saint Matthew, XVI, 53), that is to say the salvation of the Church would not be any more for them, that considered themselves to be in the Church of God (God's People) but for the Gentiles that were to be admitted into her. Besides, he said to this end: "He who believes and be baptised, will be saved; he who does not believe will damn himself." The Jews do not believe in Him, even if they are baptised. If they truly believe and are baptised leaving aside their wickedness against Him, it is clear that they are on the way to their salvation, as doubtless were saved those among the first converted ones and others by the preaching of the Apostles, and at the end of time they will be converted - as has been prophecised - and will savethemselves; but meanwhile, they are demolishing the Church of Jesus Christ Our Lord. We are seeing how the Catholic Hierarchy before reneged the Divine and Catholic Faith and has adopted not only the "Faith" of sects but even the ideology of false pagan religions; what is more, even Communism, that is "intrinsically perverse" mainly because it is atheist. Now the Catholic Hierarchy of the past lives together with those who were its enemies and the enemies of the Catholic Religion, to undertake the worst Ecuмenism, not the one commanded by Our Lord Jesus Christ, but damned repeateadly by the Eclesiastical Magistery traditionally catholic.

EPISCOPAL SILENCE AND VATICAN EXCOMMUNION

Despite the sufficient publicity given by the various communications media of universal reach to the new catholic bishops in Mexico right from the beginning of 1982, neither in Europe nor in America was there any attack or protesting as a moral person the "progressive bishops" before the unexpected presence of "clandestine bishops" (La Prensa, Mexico City daily newspaper) regarding whom the former Jesuit Father Ramírez, spokesman of the "maximum eclesiastical authority of the city" declared that "their consecrations were illicit; but may be valid". The Mexican Episcopal Committee lasted in silence more than a year, the one who could have felt more the "clandestine ones", as an obstacle together with the "bishops in power" (in fact, not by right, it is clear). Its silence was triumphant or castigating, as the vanquisher or that of a tyrant? In reality, it lent itself to many interpretations.

Perhaps Cardinal Corripio Ahumada imposed his criterion on the rest? Since he knew that there were in his Archdiocese "traditionalist priests" and since, after doubtless some sort of secret investigation, he declared with these words (or similar ones): "Leave them alone ... they are old of age and they will not tarry long to die and thus everything will be over ..."

His "life-forgiving license" could be qualified as prudential, if he had adopted the criterion followed by the zanedrin defender of the Apostles.

The only protestant "bishop" seemingly really "castigator" that at the beginning of 1982 sent a Pastoral Letter whipping Monsignor Carmona R, six months after he had received (almost by return mail) another Open Letter maturely seasoned with valid arguments of same logic and catholic doctrine, he died ...; a fact that greatly impressed his correligionaries; because instead of the catholic bishop dying, the one who died was the progressive one, admonished by Monsignor Carmona R.

On April 7 1983, the news arrived in Mexico through the mass communications media of the Excommunion launched by John Paul II against Monsignor Thuc and all bishops consecrated by him and his successors, razing equally all the cismatic-heretics of El Palmar de Troya, twice before excommunicated; once by the sacred rules of Cannonical Law and another by the Progressive Vatican, that is, a triple excommunion ... and for the truly catholic bishops, invulnerable to the sacred cannonical rules, just as much as the progressive vatican fulminations.

Of course that to catholic bishops there was no reason to worry in the least about the Excommunion by the Antipope John Paul II. When some newsmen approached them, they answered that they did not care about the vatican excommunion, that has no validity, lacking all validity.

For their part the four Mexican catholic bishops signed a full page advertisement in Excélsior, a Mexican daily newspaper, titled JOHN PAUL II IS NOT A CATHOLIC POPE, a declaration that was made by Monsignor Thuc a year ago in Munich, Germany and supported since then with other most important declarations by the same Monsignor.

In Acapulco, Guerrero, on May 26 1983, they subscribed ample declarations denouncing on the basis of historical proofs of the Vacant Site, the Invalidity of the New Mass, the False Ecuмenism and the False Religious Liberty, the Invalidity of the mentioned Excommunions and the Great Swindle that the New Church commits when it presents itself and acts as if it were the True Catholic Church.

El Sol de México first and then El Seglar (this one on June 1983) published these declarations.

Adolphus,
(Episcopus Catholicus)
Mexico City, June 1983.



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http://www.einsicht-aktuell.de/index.php?svar=2&ausgabe_id=303&artikel_id=3618
October, 1983
FALSE BISHOPS AND TRUE BISHOPS by Bp. Zamora:

"Monsignor Thuc has also been accused of having consecrated with the Modern Ritual. This was also a gratuituous and falsa accusation; because the only witnesses of such consecrations were those who gave Monsignor Thuc the lithurgical books, being those persons the most attentive, together with Monsignor Thuc, in making those consecrations follow the apostholic successions of the Traditional Catholic Church. Besides, the consecrated ones themselves would not had accepted Progressive Rituals, being them persevering Catholics interested in following the Catholic Tradition."

Dr. Eberhard Heller has made known in his publication Einsicht the exact copy of the Pontificale that was used in the consecrations:
http://www.einsicht-aktuell.de/index.php?svar=2&ausgabe_id=182&artikel_id=1936
(May, 1983)

THE EPISCOPAL CONSECRATIONS
1. EPISCOPAL CONSECRATION SE MGR. M.-L. GUERARD DES LAURIERS OP IN TOULON ON THE 7TH.
MAY 1981 BY SE ARCHBISHOP PIERRE MARTIN NGO-DINH-THUC - ACCORDING TO THE "PONTIFICALE ROMANUM" ROMAE 19O8,

Address:
SE Mgr. ML Guerard des Lauriers OP 17 rue des Bordes, ETIOLLES F - 91450 - SOISY - SUR - SEINE2. EPISCOPAL CONSECRATION MGR. MOISES CARMONA AND MGR. ADOLFO ZAMORA IN TOULON ON THE 17TH. OCTOBER 1981 BY SE, ARCHBISHOP PIERRE MARTIN NGO-DINH-THUC - ACCORDING TO THE "PONTIFICALE ROMANUM" V.19O8.

Persto: Also please remember that it has already been noted that Dr. Heller had to locate a copy of the Pontificale at the last minute, because Abp. Thuc's copy had been stolen along with other necessary things by his secretary.  It was difficult to find a copy, since they were not very available, but he was able to borrow a copy, and supply all the things necessary for the consecrations.