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Offline AnthonyPadua

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Re: Popes against praying for decreased non-catholics
« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2026, 10:01:37 PM »
Quote from: Lazarus on March 12, 2026, 07:16:14 PM
Secondly, you are making a mistake in how you interpret Papal instructions. There is a difference between public prayers and private prayers. Of course, the Popes instructed that there should never be public masses for known heretics who never showed signs of repentance before their death. Of course, it could cause indifferentism and weaken the faith of others, if such scandalous actions were to happen. However, I am making a theological point, not a disciplinary one.

Thirdly, considering the abominable state of most of society, it takes a strong will to be able to consciously refuse such a state of matters and to instead be a Catholic. I am quite sure that, the Catholics of today, are far stronger than you think.

The reason I make those conditional prayers, is that the pain of those in Purgatory is inimaginable. 1 minute in Purgatory is worse than a lifetime of suffering. I am certain that, there are many people who seemed to be unrepentant evildoers, that were saved. There are countless souls who are currently in Purgatory and that were forgotten by their friends or their families, or who were sometimes completely alone during their life.
Shouldn't I pray for their sakes as well, so that they enjoy heaven sooner?

It is our duty, as Catholics, to help those in Purgatory join Christ sooner.
The Popes also cover PRIVATE prayer. Rather than make conditional prayers just offer it to our Lady to do God's will. I will focus on obey Catholic authority. Those who deny outside the Church are not in purgatory because they are LOST. 
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Re: Popes against praying for decreased non-catholics
« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2026, 10:46:20 PM »
Quote from: Maria Dolorosa on March 12, 2026, 09:44:09 PM
Let me ask you this: does the Church approve of what you propose to do?

The fact that people feel at liberty to do what they wish despite what the Church has said for us to do, is certainly sinful, and any sin (even one that is deliberately venial) can only be a step towards hell.
That is a good question, one I should ask my priest about.

The problem is that displinary measures are not the same as dogmatic teachings. If the Pope you quoted was still alive, I wouldn't dare disobey him. But, I don't even know if those instructions still apply today. 

I don't have the slightest idea of which disciplinary rules must still be obeyed in 2026, and which can be considered to be "obsolete". 

Those rules were made where most of society was Catholic, and when there was indeed a high risk of causing a scandal if one were to publicly pray for the sake of a known unrepentant heretic. Moreover, the Popes who made those rules were concerned about the risk to their flock of faithful. They made those rules, in order to be sure that at the very least, those rules wouldn't be harmful for salvation, for potentially millions of people following those rules.

I dare say that, at the very least, if you obey the Popes on this matter you will not be led astray. 

I think that, for some personal reasons I would rather not discuss here, in my particular case I have a legitimate gray area where it's unsure if I should obey those instructions or not. 
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Re: Popes against praying for decreased non-catholics
« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2026, 10:57:24 PM »
Quote from: AnthonyPadua on March 12, 2026, 10:01:37 PM
The Popes also cover PRIVATE prayer. Rather than make conditional prayers just offer it to our Lady to do God's will. I will focus on obey Catholic authority. Those who deny outside the Church are not in purgatory because they are LOST.
Do you understand the meaning of True, False, AND, OR ? Every single time, you only read part of the sentence, you forget the "AND".

I think you have either severe reading comprehension issues, or you have issues with logical reasoning. 



ASSERTING THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE BLESSED AND SAVED.

DID I EVER DARE MAKE SUCH A STATEMENT? LEARN HOW TO READ ENGLISH. 
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Re: Popes against praying for decreased non-catholics
« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2026, 01:08:58 AM »
Quote from: Seraphina on March 12, 2026, 07:33:53 PM
So, we are supposed to judge the heart of the deceased?  I always pray to Our Lady. If the person is lost, She will redirect the prayer to whom she sees fit. No prayer goes to waste. There are just some people whose condition at death you do not know.
Unless you are the strictest of Feeneyites and a staunch Jansenist, you don’t know for sure the person was a validly, practicing Catholic in the state of grace, don’t bother praying for them?  Is it not better to err on the side of mercy rather than judgment? 
There is a difference between not knowing if someone is a Catholic in mortal sin vs a Catholic who you KNOW commit a mortal sin. I do not assume Catholics die in mortal sin, but if I know a Catholic man, and he commits a public mortal sin and dies before he can get to confession I would have to presume he is lost.
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« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2026, 01:10:38 AM »
Quote from: Lazarus on March 12, 2026, 10:46:20 PM
That is a good question, one I should ask my priest about.

The problem is that displinary measures are not the same as dogmatic teachings. If the Pope you quoted was still alive, I wouldn't dare disobey him. But, I don't even know if those instructions still apply today.

Just because a Pope dies doesn't mean you can suddenly disobey him...
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