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Offline Ladislaus

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« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2025, 04:36:52 PM »
Marie-Julie Jahenny:
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I give you a WARNING. The disciples who are not of My Gospel are now working hard to remake according to their ideas and under the influence of the enemy of souls a MASS that contains words that are ODIOUS in My sight. When the fatal hour arrives when the faith of my priests is put to the test, it will be (these texts) that will be celebrated in this SECOND period ... The FIRST period is (the one) of my priesthood which exists since Me. The SECOND is (the one) of the persecution when the ENEMIES of the Faith and of Holy Religion (will impose their formulas) in the book of the second celebration ... These infamous spirits are those who crucified Me and are awaiting the kingdom of THE NEW MESSIAH.
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Many of My holy priests will refuse this book sealed with the words of the abyss.  Unfortunately amongst them are those who will accept, it will be used.


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« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2025, 09:01:02 PM »
So, then, to make matters worse, if you recall the story of Cain and Abel, Cain is said to have made his offerings, munera in the Vulgate, exactly the term in the Roman Canon, but his are rejected, while Abel's are accepted and please God.  Why?  Well, one answer is that Abel had more faith?  I think there's more to it, as Cain's dejection sounds like he had enough faith.  What did Sacred Scripture say that Cain had offered?  Well, the "fruit of the earth".  Sound familiar?  Yes, the same thing the NOM offers, the fruit of the earth, the break.  NOM is in fact the Sacrifice of Cain.  It's replacing the (pleasing) Sacrifice of Abel, the Blood Sacrifice of a Spotless Victim (the Tridentine Canon) with Cain's "fruit of the earth" offering.  Coincidence?  I think not.  Done' on purpose.
This is a really interesting point!


Re: Patrick Henry Omlor
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2025, 10:51:28 PM »
Has anyone ever read Dom Gerard Lanford's "Doctrinal Note on the New Missal"?  It was in response to the Ottaviani Intervention. It's interesting in that it addresses the offertory issue.  Lad (or anyone) take a look and comment when you get some time. I haven't had a chance to study it.

https://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=30754.0




Offline Ladislaus

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« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2025, 11:45:04 PM »
Has anyone ever read Dom Gerard Lanford's "Doctrinal Note on the New Missal"?  It was in response to the Ottaviani Intervention. It's interesting in that it addresses the offertory issue.  Lad (or anyone) take a look and comment when you get some time. I haven't had a chance to study it.

https://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=30754.0

That's a complete muddled mess.  He admits that the offering of bread and wine is not what takes place at the Mass, but then completely understates its impact.  He goes back and forth criticizing it and then praising it, saying it's not good enough, and then saying that it's essentially the same.  Looks like some madman wrote this who couldn't make up his mind.

No, the term "sacrificium" does not suffice.  it just makes to "make sacred" or set aside as sacred.  It's even used in expressions like "sacrifice of praise".  You could apply the term "sacrifice" to simply offering the bread and wine and somehow making them holy, sacred, or set apart ... without there being any indication whatsoever that you're offering the Spotless Victim named in the Tridentine Offertory.

Unfortunately, too many Trads got hung up on the word "sacrifice" but it by itself is not an unambiguous indication of what's taking place during the Mass.

Offline Ladislaus

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« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2025, 11:51:16 PM »
This is a really interesting point!

Indeed.  As Matthew said when I first brought this up ... once you see this, you can't unsee it.

Where Abel offered the spotless lamb, the Tridentine Mass offered the Spotless Victim (Hostia = blood sacrifice)
Where Cain offered the "fruit of the earth", the NOM offers the "fruit of the earth"

Where the NOM offers the fruit of the earth, Sacred Scripture teaches that as punishment for Original Sin, God cursed "the earth in his work" yet the Novus Ordo is offering this "fruit of the earth" and "work of human hands" (same Latin word for work in both places)

So the NOM replaces the offering of Our Lord's Sacrifice on the Cross, offering Himself as the Spotless Victim, with some banal offering of bread and wine, the fruit of the earth adn work of human hands, that which was rejected in Cain's offering and also that which God cursed (the earth in his work).

It's as plain as the nose on your face once you see it ... and you can't unsee it.

This is a sacrilegeous non-Catholic Mass that invalidates the Mass completely.

What's necessary for validity is not only the essential form (the consecration here), but also a clear unequivocal explanation of the Sacramental effect, i.e. what it is that you intend to accomplish.  Well, the NOM says quite clearly that the intent of what follows is to offer bread and wine, whereas the Tridentine Canon made it clear that what's being offered is the Spotless Victim.