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Re: PA Grand Jury report priests list
« Reply #45 on: August 21, 2018, 11:22:49 AM »
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  • If the Church was Catholic, then the Jews would have nothing on the Church.
    The Church is Catholic: "one, holy, Catholic, and apostolic Church"
    Even if Church militant consisted entirely of saints, Jews would still hate her.

    If PA really cared about children, why wasn't this report done decades ago, before half the suspects died?
    The issue is not so much about a bishop-supported sodomy network in the U.S. (which I think none of us here deny), as it is about Jews worried about the overturn of Roe v. Wade, which they will likely argue on First Amendment, religious grounds would be unconstitutional (cf. this Shapiro interview). Half of abortionists are Jews, and they want to protect, on religious grounds, what they, in the blindness of their hearts, consider a charitable business.
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    Re: PA Grand Jury report priests list
    « Reply #46 on: August 21, 2018, 10:40:31 PM »
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  • We all know it's true.  These people should have been locked up a long time ago but the Catholic Church condoned it.  Thumb down me all you want. There are threads here that support the findings of the Grand jury you lukewarm Catholics.  I guess Scranton was all lies and a myth.  What is wrong with you people?  If the Church was Catholic, then the Jews would have nothing on the Church.  The Church is destroying itself.  Stop blaming the Jews when it is lukewarm Catholics that is the problem.  Once lukewarm Catholics changed the Mass which allowed the smoke of Satan into the Church.  

    The Catholic Church put itself in this position.  

    There have been tons of parents who back up the pedophiles priests instead of  their own children.  
    Unpacking a Shapiro whopper
    Countless news stories have faithfully regurgitated one berserk line in particular from the report, a line which Shapiro clearly tailored for the media to seize upon:
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    "Priests were raping little boys and girls and the men of God who were responsible for them not only did nothing: they hid it all."
    There is no other way to put it except to say that this is a flat-out lie by Shapiro. Even a cursory look at the report debunks this absurd claim.
    Take the case in the report of Rev. Joseph Mueller: In 1986, a man went to the Diocese of Pittsburgh to claim that Mueller abused him years earlier as a teenager. Then-Bishop Donald Wuerl immediately removed him from ministry and shipped him off to St. Luke's treatment facility. Based on its evaluation of the guy, St. Luke's advised that Mueller "not work with children or adolescents." A diocesan memo also declared Mueller "unassignable." So what did Wuerl do? He stripped Mueller of his faculties, and the dude never worked as a priest again. Sayonara.
    That, dear readers, is not "doing nothing," as Shapiro claims, and he knows it.
    In fact, if one takes the time to actually read the report, one will see that the first action by a diocese, even many decades ago, was almost always to immediately remove the accused priest from his assignment. In a bunch of cases, priestly faculties were stripped. Therapy was often provided to victims.
    Josh Shapiro's claim that the Church showed "complete disdain" for victims is nothing but an ugly smear. "I met with every victim. Anyone that would come forward, I met with them and I'd have to say more than once shared a tear with them as they or their parents told the story," Cardinal Wuerl has told.

    http://www.themediareport.com/2018/08/18/rebuttal-grand-jury-report-pennsylvania/


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    Re: PA Grand Jury report priests list
    « Reply #47 on: August 22, 2018, 08:22:04 AM »
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  • Cardinal Wuerl is a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ -straight up.
    So is Cupich.

    Anyone here trying to blame the authors of the report as "just trying to destroy the Church" needs to have their heads examined.


    The vast majority of Novus Ordo priests I've ever met were ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ. Full stop.


    The predator priests SHOULD be driven out.

    This corruption MUST be exposed and stopped.

    If you think that is destroying the Church,  so be it, it is NOT.

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    Re: PA Grand Jury report priests list
    « Reply #48 on: August 22, 2018, 09:53:14 AM »
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  • Unpacking a Shapiro whopper
    Countless news stories have faithfully regurgitated one berserk line in particular from the report, a line which Shapiro clearly tailored for the media to seize upon:There is no other way to put it except to say that this is a flat-out lie by Shapiro. Even a cursory look at the report debunks this absurd claim.
    Take the case in the report of Rev. Joseph Mueller: In 1986, a man went to the Diocese of Pittsburgh to claim that Mueller abused him years earlier as a teenager. Then-Bishop Donald Wuerl immediately removed him from ministry and shipped him off to St. Luke's treatment facility. Based on its evaluation of the guy, St. Luke's advised that Mueller "not work with children or adolescents." A diocesan memo also declared Mueller "unassignable." So what did Wuerl do? He stripped Mueller of his faculties, and the dude never worked as a priest again. Sayonara.
    That, dear readers, is not "doing nothing," as Shapiro claims, and he knows it.
    In fact, if one takes the time to actually read the report, one will see that the first action by a diocese, even many decades ago, was almost always to immediately remove the accused priest from his assignment. In a bunch of cases, priestly faculties were stripped. Therapy was often provided to victims.
    Josh Shapiro's claim that the Church showed "complete disdain" for victims is nothing but an ugly smear. "I met with every victim. Anyone that would come forward, I met with them and I'd have to say more than once shared a tear with them as they or their parents told the story," Cardinal Wuerl has told.

    http://www.themediareport.com/2018/08/18/rebuttal-grand-jury-report-pennsylvania/


    There's another side to LaDonna Wuerl. You need to read this Poche:

    http://www.donaldwuerl.com/
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: PA Grand Jury report priests list
    « Reply #49 on: August 22, 2018, 10:11:07 AM »
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  • Anyone here trying to blame the authors of the report as "just trying to destroy the Church" needs to have their heads examined.

    Where's the public report about rabbis who abuse children?  Where the one about Orthodox priests, Protestant ministers, and scout troop leaders?  Statistics indicate that the incidence of such abuse is just as high in those other groups.  Why is the Catholic Church being singled out?  Get your head out of your ass, Smedley.


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    Re: PA Grand Jury report priests list
    « Reply #50 on: August 22, 2018, 10:34:33 AM »
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  • In this talk, Ben Shapiro calls out all groups, not just the Church, for moral decay and sɛҳuąƖ abuse.  


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    Re: PA Grand Jury report priests list
    « Reply #51 on: August 23, 2018, 10:07:24 PM »
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  • Where's the public report about rabbis who abuse children?  Where the one about Orthodox priests, Protestant ministers, and scout troop leaders?  Statistics indicate that the incidence of such abuse is just as high in those other groups.  Why is the Catholic Church being singled out?  Get your head out of your ass, Smedley.
    The Church SHOULD be singled out!
    It has the highest responsibility for example. 
    Reporting on the truth of predator priests is NEVER hurting the Church,  it's purifying it.
    Hiding the predators HURTS the Church. 

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    Re: PA Grand Jury report priests list
    « Reply #52 on: August 23, 2018, 11:30:19 PM »
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  • The Church SHOULD be singled out!
    It has the highest responsibility for example.
    Reporting on the truth of predator priests is NEVER hurting the Church,  it's purifying it.
    Hiding the predators HURTS the Church.
    Sadly, it seems this is true, since the Church has greater responsibility than those outside. As the Church goes, so goes the rest of the world. Priests and bishops who used their spiritual authority to bully young men into perverse acts is an unspeakable evil.  Who was the saint that said that when demons tempt men to ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ sin, they leave immediately afterward because that sin is so abhorrent to their natures?            


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    Re: PA Grand Jury report priests list
    « Reply #53 on: August 23, 2018, 11:42:13 PM »
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  • Sadly, it seems this is true, since the Church has greater responsibility than those outside. As the Church goes, so goes the rest of the world. Priests and bishops who used their spiritual authority to bully young men into perverse acts is an unspeakable evil.  Who was the saint that said that when demons tempt men to ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ sin, they leave immediately afterward because that sin is so abhorrent to their natures?            

    It was St. Catherine of Siena

    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    Re: PA Grand Jury report priests list
    « Reply #54 on: August 24, 2018, 09:55:09 AM »
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  • Thank you Cantarella.

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    Re: PA Grand Jury report priests list
    « Reply #55 on: August 24, 2018, 11:30:16 PM »
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  • Sadly, it seems this is true, since the Church has greater responsibility than those outside. As the Church goes, so goes the rest of the world. Priests and bishops who used their spiritual authority to bully young men into perverse acts is an unspeakable evil.  Who was the saint that said that when demons tempt men to ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ sin, they leave immediately afterward because that sin is so abhorrent to their natures?            
    That was St Catherine of Sienna.


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    Re: PA Grand Jury report priests list
    « Reply #56 on: August 24, 2018, 11:44:04 PM »
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  • Wuerl was headlined as the bishop who fought the Vatican to remove  "a
     molester priest," when the fact is that he only attempted to have the priest
     removed from ministry for what was later called a misdiagnosis of Depress-
     ion and Suicidal Tendencies.  The priest was never arrested, yet Wuerl let
     the papers claim that the priest was.  In fact, that priest, Anthony Cipolla,
     received a favorable Pennsylvania State Police background check security
     clearance in the Summer of 2014, where within it was stated that Cipolla
     has NO ARREST RECORD in the State of Pennsylvania.  For those of
     you who are brain dead, Cipolla's 2014 security clearance of a huge deal.

    There's another side to LaDonna Wuerl. You need to read this Poche:

    http://www.donaldwuerl.com/
    If the police gave this priest a clean record on a background check that was not appropriate then it is the fault of the police. 

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    Re: PA Grand Jury report priests list
    « Reply #57 on: August 24, 2018, 11:48:54 PM »
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  • It was the court system that prompted Wuerl to strike the pose of a strict
     disciplinarian.  It was all a fraud to have claimed that Wuerl would come
     to the rescue of the victims of predatory priests such as the Edward Huff
     whom he kept hiding out in mental institutions and the Father James Tor-
     quato whom he sent to Rome while federal court papers had Torquato's
     name mentioned throughout them.  Wuerl's artificial pose did not occur
     until three simultaneous indictments of three Pittsburgh priests occured
     under Wuerl's watch, coupled with a DA John Pettit's public accusation
     that Wuerl's diocese performed uncooperative conduct with police inves-
     tigators.

    http://www.donaldwuerl.com/

    Sending priests and others in similar situations to mental institutions was a standard practice up until fairly recently. You are holding Cardinal Wuerl to a 21st standard of mental health treatment when the understanding of mental health was different at that time.

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    Re: PA Grand Jury report priests list
    « Reply #58 on: August 25, 2018, 01:05:54 AM »
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  • There's another side to LaDonna Wuerl. You need to read this Poche:

    http://www.donaldwuerl.com/
    There is going to be a visitation (inspection) very soon. It is very likely that all if not some of the bishops will be resigning. 

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    Re: PA Grand Jury report priests list
    « Reply #59 on: August 25, 2018, 01:06:37 AM »
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  • Sent off to treatment?
    There are those who will want to castigate the Church for sending priests off to treatment, but, as regular readers of this site already know, that was exactly what so-called psychological experts advised bishops to do in a 1985 report. And even the Boston Globe (yes, the Boston Globe!) was trumpeting therapy treatment for child sex offenders as recently as 1992.
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    "From the 1950's to the 1980's, these treatment-based interventions for sɛҳuąƖ criminals were not only enormously prevalent in the United States, but surveys of ordinary citizens showed that they were enormously popular …
    "[T]he science of human sɛҳuąƖity and sɛҳuąƖ offending is extraordinarily young. Virtually all of the information we utilize today regarding the treatment and supervision of sɛҳuąƖ offenders has been discovered since 1985."
    – Dr. Monica Applewhite, Ph.D.
    Yet in almost every media account, the media has failed to provide this important historical context that the Church was following the then-reigning advice of experts in the field to send accused priests to treatment.
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    "No one would hold a brain surgeon to today's standard of care for professional decisions he made in 1970. Yet the decisions made in 1970 by Catholic bishops, who routinely consulted with mental health professionals about sick priests, are being judged by today's standards. Today, the confidence of the mental health community about the likelihood of curing sɛҳuąƖ disorders is far less than it was in 1970."
     – L. Martin Nussbaum, "Changing the Rules" (America magazine, 2006)


    http://www.themediareport.com/2018/08/18/rebuttal-grand-jury-report-pennsylvania/