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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Pascendi on Modernists "in the very veins and heart of the Church"
« Reply #75 on: August 24, 2018, 09:19:55 AM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on August 24, 2018, 08:53:35 AM
    The need for them to remain in the ranks is not the same as them actually doing so.

    Eta: it seems that those who continue to give  them legitimacy give them EXACTLY what they need
    The pope is saying in order for the modernists to continue their destruction, it is necessary for them to remain within the ranks. That is literally what he says. Which is to say they could not continue the destruction were they not within the ranks. Since the destruction continues with no signs of it stopping, it is safe to say the Modernist heretics are certainly, still within the ranks of the Church today - no?
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    Re: Pascendi on Modernists "in the very veins and heart of the Church"
    « Reply #76 on: August 24, 2018, 09:25:02 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on August 24, 2018, 08:43:47 AM
    More from Pascendi:

    ....and because it is necessary for them [Modernists] to remain within the ranks of the Church in order that they may gradually transform the collective conscience - thus unconsciously avowing that the common conscience is not with them, and that they have no right to claim to be its interpreters.

    Uhm, he's talking about the ones that try to stay hidden.  Only MANIFEST heresy excludes from membership in the Church, and not secret heresy.  But there's absolutely nothing hidden about the Modernism (and heresy) of the Vatican II popes.  They're all out in the open now and have taken control of the Church's material power structures.
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    Re: Pascendi on Modernists "in the very veins and heart of the Church"
    « Reply #77 on: August 24, 2018, 09:27:20 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on August 24, 2018, 09:19:55 AM
    The pope is saying in order for the modernists to continue their destruction, it is necessary for them to remain within the ranks. That is literally what he says. Which is to say they could not continue the destruction were they not within the ranks. Since the destruction continues with no signs of it stopping, it is safe to say the Modernist heretics are certainly, still within the ranks of the Church today - no?
    They appear to be in the ranks.  Those that recognize manifest heretics  as "certainly" in the ranks give them the legitimacy they need to continue their destruction. 
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    Re: Pascendi on Modernists "in the very veins and heart of the Church"
    « Reply #78 on: August 24, 2018, 09:28:54 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on August 24, 2018, 09:19:55 AM
    The pope is saying in order for the modernists to continue their destruction, it is necessary for them to remain within the ranks. That is literally what he says.

    Right, in order to destroy the Church, they need to avoid being kicked out or just leaving ... so they keep a low profile so they cannot be flushed out.  St. Pius X created the Sodalitium precisely in order to flush these guys out.  But the difference here has to do with whether or not their heresy is manifest.
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    Re: Catholic League defends mortal sin.
    « Reply #79 on: August 24, 2018, 09:36:38 AM »
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    • Why do I get the thread "Catholic League Defends Mortal Sin" when I go to page 1 of this thread? Is it just me?
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    Re: Pascendi on Modernists "in the very veins and heart of the Church"
    « Reply #80 on: August 24, 2018, 09:44:53 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on August 24, 2018, 09:25:02 AM
    Uhm, he's talking about the ones that try to stay hidden.  Only MANIFEST heresy excludes from membership in the Church, and not secret heresy.  But there's absolutely nothing hidden about the Modernism (and heresy) of the Vatican II popes.  They're all out in the open now and have taken control of the Church's material power structures.
    Whatever. The fact is, if they were not within the ranks, that means they've left the ranks, which means Catholics are back in charge, which means we would see the reversal or the beginnings of the destruction's reversal, not the continuation of destruction we see today.
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    Re: Catholic League defends mortal sin.
    « Reply #81 on: August 24, 2018, 09:47:05 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on August 24, 2018, 09:36:38 AM
    Why do I get the thread "Catholic League Defends Mortal Sin" when I go to page 1 of this thread? Is it just me?
    https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/catholic-league-defends-mortal-sin/msg623654/#msg623654
    Because it's correct.  Geremia changed his post title
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    Re: Catholic League defends mortal sin.
    « Reply #82 on: August 25, 2018, 03:35:40 AM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on August 24, 2018, 09:17:14 AM
    Because it's correct.  Geremia changed his post title
    Geremia does that a lot -- also on other forums.   ;)
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    Re: Catholic League defends mortal sin.
    « Reply #83 on: August 25, 2018, 05:35:52 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on August 24, 2018, 09:47:05 AM
    https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/catholic-league-defends-mortal-sin/msg623654/#msg623654
    Because it's correct.  Geremia changed his post title
    I meant to say that if I post to the thread Pascendi on Modernists "in the very veins and heart of the Church"  it ends up in this thread about the Catholic League. If I'm on page 5 of Pascendi on Modernists "in the very veins and heart of the Church" , and then go to page one to follow the thread from the beginning, I get the Catholic League thread.
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    Re: Pascendi on Modernists "in the very veins and heart of the Church"
    « Reply #84 on: August 25, 2018, 05:37:08 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on August 24, 2018, 09:44:53 AM
    Whatever. The fact is, if they were not within the ranks, that means they've left the ranks, which means Catholics are back in charge, which means we would see the reversal or the beginnings of the destruction's reversal, not the continuation of destruction we see today.
    There's your quote about Pascendi and I respond and it says Catholic League if I had scrolled to page one before posting. 
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    The title can be changed to whatever you want
    « Reply #85 on: August 25, 2018, 08:38:32 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on August 25, 2018, 05:37:08 AM
    There's your quote about Pascendi and I respond and it says Catholic League if I had scrolled to page one before posting.
    The title can be changed to whatever you want, just go up and change it anytime you post, but doing so won't change the thread title the OP started with. Geremia simply changed it, in so doing, anyone who quotes from his post will have the same title.
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    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse
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