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Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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Re: PA Grand Jury report priests list
« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2018, 07:49:00 AM »
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  • Priests who broke their vows or promises by being with women are immediately removed but priests who broke vows or promises by raping and molesting children including seminarians were kept in ministry and shuffled around.  
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    Re: PA Grand Jury report priests list
    « Reply #16 on: August 16, 2018, 03:38:12 PM »
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  • The priests did not have vows to break. They had no vows.


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    Re: PA Grand Jury report priests list
    « Reply #17 on: August 16, 2018, 03:39:31 PM »
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  • Was told by Byzantine friends 1priest was on the list. One maronite priest removed last year
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    Re: PA Grand Jury report priests list
    « Reply #18 on: August 16, 2018, 06:57:02 PM »
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  • I firmly believe this is a crap explanation and am going to denounce it whenever I hear it. This sort of thinking will only harm us in the long run. It is OBVIOUS that this problem is older and was not caused by Vatican II 9as evil as it was) or . . . . Russians.  

    This was already going on regularly by the time World War II broke out and it grew worse because of
    1) a decrease in the availability of quality candidates for the priesthood because of modernity -- thus the small number of misfits that will slip into any organizations, became a larger and larger percent of the pie.
    2) Too much reliance on psychology -- just send Father Fruitypants to some clinic so he can get his nerves in order and he will be good as new.  

    These things were already in play before Vatican II and were not caused by communists. Quit the magical thinking.

    The answer is intolerance for sɛҳuąƖ immorality.  
    How do you see the facts regarding Bella Dodd and other Communist infiltrators as "magical thinking"?
    Why do you conflate the Bella Dodd facts with Vatican 2?
    FYI Communism/ Satanism predates Vatican 2.
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    Re: PA Grand Jury report priests list
    « Reply #19 on: August 17, 2018, 12:36:27 AM »
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  • https://www.barnhardt.biz/

    :facepalm: How can the Church ever recover from this? Parents should think long and hard before they leave their kids with anyone. The Pennsylvania Attorney General is as justifiably angry as the clergy should have been. A reader's digest version of the sɛҳuąƖ abuse report comes after the article.


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    Re: PA Grand Jury report priests list
    « Reply #20 on: August 17, 2018, 05:21:14 AM »
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  • "Regarding the report made public in Pennsylvania this week, there are two words that can express the feelings faced with these horrible crimes: shame and sorrow. The Holy See treats with great seriousness the work of the Investigating Grand Jury of Pennsylvania and the lengthy Interim Report it has produced. The Holy See condemns unequivocally the sɛҳuąƖ abuse of minors. 
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     The abuses described in the report are criminal and morally reprehensible. Those acts were betrayals of trust that robbed survivors of their dignity and their faith. The Church must learn hard lessons from its past, and there should be accountability for both abusers and those who permitted abuse to occur.
    Most of the discussion in the report concerns abuses before the early 2000s. By finding almost no cases after 2002, the Grand Jury’s conclusions are consistent with previous studies showing that Catholic Church reforms in the United States drastically reduced the incidence of clergy child abuse. The Holy See encourages continued reform and vigilance at all levels of the Catholic Church, to help ensure the protection of minors and vulnerable adults from harm. The Holy See also wants to underscore the need to comply with the civil law, including mandatory child abuse reporting requirements.
    The Holy Father understands well how much these crimes can shake the faith and the spirt of believers and reiterates the call to make every effort to create a safe environment for minors and vulnerable adults in the Church and in all of society.
    Victims should know that the Pope is on their side. Those who have suffered are his priority, and the Church wants to listen to them to root out this tragic horror that destroys the lives of the innocent."

    https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2018-08/vatican-responds-to-pennsylvania-grand-jury-abuse-report.html

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    Re: PA Grand Jury report priests list
    « Reply #21 on: August 17, 2018, 08:34:21 AM »
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  • Many parents are partially to blame.  To allow young women or little girls alone with any  man shouldn't be.  Shame on the parents who ignored their own children when they were told that the priest was up to no good.  The one who are largely to blame is law enforcement and judges.  ( how many judges are pedophiles themselves?) In many cases pedophile priests weren't alone.  Using pervert rings involve lawyers, priests, doctors, etc.   

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    Re: PA Grand Jury report priests list
    « Reply #23 on: August 17, 2018, 08:53:44 AM »
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  • Many parents are partially to blame.  To allow young women or little girls alone with any  man shouldn't be.  Shame on the parents who ignored their own children when they were told that the priest was up to no good.  
    That is correct and it still is happening today. I estimate that 25% of the clergy is ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ. 

    Fathers, today are not really men. If I see the slightest sign in a priest, any parishioner, or person, I am on his case and I alert my son. If I see some action that confirms what I am watching for, I am going directly to speak to that person and let him know that I know what he is up to.

    The problem today is that effeminate priests are mistaken for refined, cultured, educated gentlemen. No, they are fαɢɢօts, men do not act "refined".

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    Re: PA Grand Jury report priests list
    « Reply #24 on: August 17, 2018, 08:58:45 AM »
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  • Then there are the less obvious, the fαɢs that are manly, but in them you will notice that they touch the children a lot. Men do not normally touch other men. These "manly" fαɢs are usually very exaggerated about their manliness. 

    Fathers have to have eyes to see.  

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    Re: PA Grand Jury report priests list
    « Reply #25 on: August 17, 2018, 10:07:07 AM »
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  • I rather like this response. If only...

    “Any cleric or monk who seduces young men or boys, or who is apprehended in kissing or in any shameful situation, shall be publicly flogged and shall lose his clerical tonsure. Thus shorn, he shall be disgraced by spitting in his face, bound in iron chains, wasted by six months of close confinement, and for three days each week put on barley bread given him toward evening. 

    “Following this period, he shall spend a further six months living in a small segregated courtyard in custody of a spiritual elder, kept busy with manual labor and prayer, subjected to vigils and prayers, forced to walk at all times in the company of two spiritual brothers, never again allowed to associate with young men.”  -- Saint Basil the Great 
    "This principle is most certain: The non-Christian cannot in any way be Pope. The reason for this is that he cannot be head of what he is not a member. Now, he who is not a Christian is not a member of the Church, and a manifest heretic is not a Christian, as is clearly taught by St. Cyprian, St. Athanasius, St. Augustine, St. Jerome, and others. Therefore, the manifest heretic cannot be Pope." -- St. Robert Bellarmine


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    Re: PA Grand Jury report priests list
    « Reply #26 on: August 17, 2018, 10:51:27 PM »
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  • This thread proves there is a crisis. Even the Holy See admits there is a crisis.  

    It was a Catholic on Supreme Court who made same sex marriage the law of the land.  It was the Jesuits that helped Obama.  I think I read a booklet by Michael Davies.  It said that Priests from Massachusetts were pushing for sodomite Marriage.  

    There is a crisis.  Children are in danger.   Souls are in danger of being lost forever. 
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    Re: PA Grand Jury report priests list
    « Reply #27 on: August 18, 2018, 07:44:09 PM »
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  • Fr James McLucas was listed under the hαɾɾιsburg Diocese although I know he is from NY. He was the editor of Latin Mass magazine in the '90's. It tells about his abusive misdeeds re: a 14 y/o female and a subsequent long term "relationship" but there are no charges of any kind listed .Are they printing  accusations as well as convictions? Can anyone just say anything without anything conclusive?
     I always held him in high regard. He wrote a moving piece that is still online called"The Emasculation of the Priesthood".
    All in all, horribly disappointing.


    Father McLucas' reply through his attorney appended to the Grand Jury Report:

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    Father James McLucas respectfully requests that interested persons read and consider this
    response before forming any final conclusions about the shocking and horrible accusations that
    have been leveled against him in the report issued by the 40th Statewide Investigating. Grand
    Jury. These allegations must have been based upon half-truths, false assumptions, and/or
    innuendo and are categorically false. Any individual that provided information that could have
    led to such conclusions by the Grand Jury was misinformed, sought to mislead the Grand Jury, or
    was mistaken. It is unknown what evidence was presented to the Grand Jury; what is known,
    however, is that Father McLucas was never asked to testify or given an opportunity to present
    evidence on his own behalf.

    While Father McLucas was not charged with any crime, the shocking and horrible
    accusations in the report - without published evidence, without trial, and without due process of
    law - will nevertheless blacken his reputation and destroy him in his profession. In this regard,
    the report so offends traditional notions of fairness that Father McLucas is compelled to publicly
    make this response denying each and every allegation in the strongest possible terms.

    Father McLucas' reply through his attorney appended to the Grand Jury Report


    A Grand Jury is empanelled to hear prosecutorial evidence.  Based upon this evidence they recommend the filing of charges.  There is no defendant present, no representation, no opportunity to examine evidence or confront witnesses.  Grand Jury proceedings are secret.  "They can call any witness.  The testimony is under oath, takes place without counsel present and can go on for as long as prosecutors and the grand jurors want to question the person.  And they can ask him any questions they want to ask." (Judge Andrew Napolitano).  Fr. McLucas does not know who testified against him, what they said, or what evidence they presented if any.  With many of the cases considered by this Grand Jury they have released the evidence along with the accusations, such as with Virgil (Gabriel) Tetherow, but all we have against Fr. McLucas is the testimony of an anonymous witness which should not count much in the fair judgment of any Catholic.

    I am not a big fan of Fr. McLucas although I personally like him.  He is a conservative Catholic with traditional sentiments but it takes a lot more than sentiments to defend the faith against its committed enemies.  Fr. McLucas tried to forge a common ground between conservative Catholics and traditional Catholics while he was editor of The Latin Mass Magazine.  He got a taste of how vicious conservative Catholics can be when he published Gavin's article criticizing Paul VI Humanae Vitae as being a completely insufficient defense of Catholic teaching against contraception.  Still, everything I have seen in Fr. McLucas over twenty years suggests a serious and upright priest doing what he thinks best to defend the Catholic faith.  This charge against Fr. McLucas should be treated as calumny until the accused comes forward by name with evidence that can stand up under cross examination.

    Drew

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    Engel's «Rite of Sodomy» > PA Grand Jury report
    « Reply #28 on: August 19, 2018, 11:45:15 PM »
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  • I trust Randy Engel's Rite of Sodomy more than this grand jury report.
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    Re: PA Grand Jury report priests list
    « Reply #29 on: August 20, 2018, 08:52:20 AM »
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  • Thank you for posting that, Drew. What a terrible affront to Fr McLucas. I knew that there was something very wrong about these reports against him.
    How AG Shapiro and crew can spew out such undocuмented venom is beyond belief -just hoping it will stick?  How evil is that?
    Unfortunately this will taint Fr McLucas' reputation forever. I hope he sues.