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Author Topic: O.L. Jesus Christ does not make things complicated - Sedevacantism  (Read 14752 times)

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Re: O.L. Jesus Christ does not make things complicated - Sedevacantism
« Reply #146 on: May 25, 2026, 05:22:40 AM »
The "roots" of an invented dogmatic sedeism which I already said I don't believe in?

Why would I care about the history of people whom you pretend are related to me but are not?

Are you aware of how absolutely unhinged you sound?
I am aware I sound unhinged to you, and probably to all dogmatic sedes, but in your condition what you cannot grasp is that like protestants can trace their doctrine back to a man, dogmatic sedes trace theirs back to a man as well. In your case, if you did your home work, you'd find out that your dogmatic sedeism can be traced back to Bishop (then Father) Sanborn. For you, that is the origin of your opinion-turned-de fide-doctrine because he was the first one to promote the idea.  

And who knows, due to their sins perhaps the conciliar popes have not been popes - that still does not give anyone a reason or the right to decide the status of popes, or to go around blabbing "he is not the pope" and omit his name from the canon of the Mass etc. It's not complicated, if you disagree, you're a dogmatic sede.

For our part, we pray for him, we warn others of the popes' heresies and errors and warn them not to follow them. Before God, that is pretty much the extent of our religious obligation and responsibility. Dogmatic sedes cannot get themselves to do this. Can you do this? 


Re: O.L. Jesus Christ does not make things complicated - Sedevacantism
« Reply #147 on: May 25, 2026, 09:59:13 AM »
I naively assumed being a dogmatic sede meant thinking sedevacantism is a dogma and anyone who doesn't believe in it goes to hell. That was me being charitable towards you.

But if I understand correctly, being a "dogmatic sede" simply means omitting the fake popes from the canon of the mass.
I always assumed it meant the former, because I know Sedevacantists who seemingly have that idea.

Re: O.L. Jesus Christ does not make things complicated - Sedevacantism
« Reply #148 on: May 25, 2026, 11:49:34 AM »
I always assumed it meant the former, because I know Sedevacantists who seemingly have that idea.
Every sedevacantist has their own dogma on the various issues.
The starting point is making it a dogma.
Then they feel the need to answer will absolute certainty other theological questions, which up to now were not certain. The result is the absolute chaos and madness and various rabbit holes they go down.

Re: O.L. Jesus Christ does not make things complicated - Sedevacantism
« Reply #149 on: May 25, 2026, 02:00:00 PM »
I am aware I sound unhinged to you, and probably to all dogmatic sedes, but in your condition what you cannot grasp is that like protestants can trace their doctrine back to a man, dogmatic sedes trace theirs back to a man as well. In your case, if you did your home work, you'd find out that your dogmatic sedeism can be traced back to Bishop (then Father) Sanborn. For you, that is the origin of your opinion-turned-de fide-doctrine because he was the first one to promote the idea. 

And who knows, due to their sins perhaps the conciliar popes have not been popes - that still does not give anyone a reason or the right to decide the status of popes, or to go around blabbing "he is not the pope" and omit his name from the canon of the Mass etc. It's not complicated, if you disagree, you're a dogmatic sede.

For our part, we pray for him, we warn others of the popes' heresies and errors and warn them not to follow them. Before God, that is pretty much the extent of our religious obligation and responsibility. Dogmatic sedes cannot get themselves to do this. Can you do this?
The Church teaches and has always taught that for a man to be eligible for the Papacy he must be a practicing Catholic.  Not in name only like a Joe Biden or Robert Prevost.