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Offline JezusDeKoning

Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2018, 01:35:01 AM »
Quote from: poche on December 20, 2018, 01:20:55 AM
From the Baltimore Catechism;

Q. 510. Is it ever possible for one to be saved who does not know the Catholic Church to be the true Church?
A. It is possible for one to be saved who does not know the Catholic Church to be the true Church, provided that person:
1.(1) Has been validly baptized;
2.(2) Firmly believes the religion he professes and practices to be the true religion, and
3.(3) Dies without the guilt of mortal sin on his soul.

Q. 511. Why do we say it is only possible for a person to be saved who does not know the CatholicChurch to be the true Church?
A. We say it is only possible for a person to be saved who does not know the Catholic Church to be the true Church, because the necessary conditions are not often found, especially that of dying in a state of grace without making use of the Sacrament of Penance.

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/resources/catechism/baltimore-catechism/lesson-11-on-the-church
...But Ben Shapiro hasn't been baptized, genius. Maybe in his lifetime, he may go the way of the Apostles, or the Ratisbonne brothers and convert and live a pious, Catholic life. But right now, no.
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Offline poche

Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2018, 04:59:54 AM »
Quote from: JezusDeKoning on December 20, 2018, 01:35:01 AM
...But Ben Shapiro hasn't been baptized, genius. Maybe in his lifetime, he may go the way of the Apostles, or the Ratisbonne brothers and convert and live a pious, Catholic life. But right now, no.
If his ignorance is invincible then it is possible for him to be saved by the baptism of desire.
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Offline 2Vermont

Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2018, 06:29:55 AM »
I guess I should stop praying for my mom to get baptized before she dies.   ::)
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2018, 07:42:02 AM »
Quote from: poche on December 20, 2018, 04:59:54 AM
If his ignorance is invincible then it is possible for him to be saved by the baptism of desire.

False.  He must also have supernatural faith and supernatural charity; ignorance cannot be salvific but merely exculpatory.  And explicit knowledge of and supernatural faith in the Holy Trinity and the central mysteries of the Lord's Incarnation are required for supernatural faith.
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Offline Last Tradhican

Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2018, 09:34:01 AM »
Quote from: Cantarella on December 19, 2018, 10:35:59 AM
As a Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven from Bishop Barron


Ben Shapiro recently had Bishop Robert Barron on his show. You can watch the full interview here. I want to draw our attention to one very specific question posed to the Bishop.

Shapiro : “I’m a Jew. I follow the Law. Can I go to Heaven”? Part of interview is here.


https://catholicism.org/as-a-non-believing-jew-ben-shapiro-gets-a-free-pass-to-heaven-from-bishop-barron.html



That video came up on my Youtube offerings, but I looked at the "Bishop" in the picture and figured it was some Protestant "minister". I never bothered to watch it. Turns out I was right. He's Novus Ordo, same dung in different packaging. He may not even be a valid priest let alone a bishop. Is he effeminate too? 
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