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Title: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: Cantarella on December 19, 2018, 10:35:59 AM
As a Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven from Bishop Barron


Ben Shapiro recently had Bishop Robert Barron on his show. You can watch the full interview here. I want to draw our attention to one very specific question posed to the Bishop.

Shapiro : “I’m a Jew. I follow the Law. Can I go to Heaven”? Part of interview is here. (https://erickybarra.org/2018/12/16/bishop-robert-barron-has-misled-ben-shapiro/comment-page-1/#comment-1111)


https://catholicism.org/as-a-non-believing-jew-ben-shapiro-gets-a-free-pass-to-heaven-from-bishop-barron.html


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oDt8wWQsiA&t=1094s
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: Cantarella on December 19, 2018, 10:37:58 AM
Shapiro : “I’m a Jew. I follow the Law. Can I go to Heaven”?


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Barron: “Yes…the Catholic view…go back to the 2nd Vatican Council says it very clearly….I mean Christ is the privileged route to salvation…that is the privileged route….However, Vatican II clearly teaches that someone outside the explicitly Christian faith can be saved….it might be received according to your conscience….Now that doesn’t conduce to a complete relativism…We would still say the privileged route and the route that God has offered to humanity is the route of His Son…but no, you can be saved..uh…even Vatican II says that an Atheist of good will can be saved…..because in following his conscience…John Henry Newman said the conscience is the aboriginal Vicar of Christ in the soul…it is in fact the voice of Christ…when I follow my conscience, I’m following Him..whether I know it explicitly or not…so even the atheist of good will can be saved”.


According to Barron (and 99% of Catholics out there today, including Traditional Catholics), Jesus is the "privileged" way to Heaven. Not the ONLY way.
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: Mithrandylan on December 19, 2018, 10:41:06 AM
So he says "yes" and then explains that "yes" not because Ben can convert, embrace Jesus Christ and His Church (and then of course no longer be a Jew) but "yes" because everyone basically already receives and believes Divine Revelation by virtue of Divine Immanence (not his exact wording of course, although probably a more accurate way of describing what Barron is really saying when he talks about conscience and the like).

Nice job, Novus Ordo.  Staying true to your (modernistic and Judaized) roots!  
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: Stubborn on December 19, 2018, 11:17:11 AM
For the NO, the only ones in danger of hell fire are those schismatical, no good traditional Catholics.
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: Ladislaus on December 19, 2018, 11:51:12 AM
He's absolutely tripping all over himself, and babbling nonsensically, all out of human respect for and fear of the Jew.

Does the dogma EENS have ANY meaning to these clowns?  It reduces to a meaningless formula, a mere tautology.  You cannot be saved except in the Church, but if you're saved, that means you're in the Church somehow.  Barron doesn't even give lip service to this in his shameful heretical response.  And this guy is considered to be some kind of arch-conservative in Novus Ordo circles.
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: Ladislaus on December 19, 2018, 11:55:18 AM
And he claims that even atheists can be saved (which Vatican II did NOT teach).

NO CATHOLIC THEOLOGIAN has ever taught this.  Even the broader understanding of EENS always required at least an explicit faith in the existence of God (as a Rewarder/Punisher).  So now, according to this heretic (he's not Catholic), no explicit material faith is required in order to have supernatural faith and sanctifying grace.
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: Quid Retribuam Domino on December 19, 2018, 11:57:36 AM
Yeah, the Antichrist apostate, Barron, has taught "even atheists can make it to Heaven" for a long time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm_j7kzcpjk
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: Ladislaus on December 19, 2018, 12:10:19 PM
Shapiro : “I’m a Jew. I follow the Law. Can I go to Heaven”?

Allow me to give the answer any Catholic would give.  It's very elaborate.

No.  Next question, Ben.

Instead Barron goes on interminably to explain away Catholic dogma.
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: Ladislaus on December 19, 2018, 12:14:09 PM
Allow me to give the answer any Catholic would give.  It's very elaborate.

No.  Next question, Ben.

Instead Barron goes on interminably to explain away Catholic dogma.

Of course, we have no shortage of Traditionalist priests and bishops who would tell Shapiro that he could be saved as a Jew.
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: Vintagewife3 on December 19, 2018, 12:28:48 PM
Crazy. I was just watching this on Facebook, and begging the bishop to please say no... and he didn’t. It made me sad to think how even more people are going to not turn to the Catholic Faith for true salvation.... Shapiro has more power than what’s good for him.
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: Maria Regina on December 19, 2018, 12:33:11 PM
Yeah, the Antichrist apostate, Barron, has taught "even atheists can make it to Heaven" for a long time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm_j7kzcpjk
Wait!

Wait just a moment!

So, Father Barron gets a promotion to bishop after he states that "even atheists can make it to heaven."

Wow!

Blind leading blind.



Didn't St. John Chrysostom state that in hell, the roads are paved with the skulls of priests, and the lampposts are the bishops?
And for those who don't read the Church Fathers, then almost 1000 years later didn't Dante restate that in his Inferno?

Isn't this why priests and bishops are to take very seriously their ordination and consecration?
These men are called to serve the Church, and if they fail to lead Christ's flock to Heaven, then as false shepherds, they are damned to Hell.
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: Maria Regina on December 19, 2018, 12:38:36 PM
Even though we are fighting the New World Ordo, and even if we were to get rid of the Rothschilds and the Illuminati, we must still beware that those who are unbelievers, especially the Jews, the Buddhists, and the New Agers could lead us into the End Times.

This is what scares me about Francis. He has aligned himself with the Jews, the Buddhists, the Muslims, etc. This modernistic spirit of Ecumenism  promoted by Francis could be the basis for the New World Religion of the AntiChrist.

Pray, pray for our children's sake, that this is not yet the time of the Beast, and that we will have a few years of peace in order to spread the Gospel of Christ throughout the world.
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: trad123 on December 19, 2018, 08:29:00 PM
arch-conservative

Today's liberalism is tomorrow's conservatism. Useless ideology.
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: Neil Obstat on December 19, 2018, 10:19:54 PM
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Wait!

Wait just a moment!

So, Father Barron gets a promotion to bishop after he states that "even atheists can make it to heaven."

Wow!

Blind leading blind.

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Apparently in order to become a Novus Ordo bishop, you've got to be a heretic or some kind of Sodomite or child molester.
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Traditionally, it is the Bishops of the world who are the true conservators of the Catholic Faith for future generations. 
    And they are the ones Our Lady has requested to make the Collegial Consecration of Russia to her Immaculate Heart. 
    Thereby we would witness the miracle of Russia's conversion to the Catholic Faith.
    Now, it would take a miracle of its own for these heretic perverts to do the Consecration in the first place. 
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: poche on December 20, 2018, 01:20:55 AM
From the Baltimore Catechism;

Q. 510. Is it ever possible for one to be saved who does not know the Catholic Church to be the true Church?
A. It is possible for one to be saved who does not know the Catholic Church to be the true Church, provided that person:
1.(1) Has been validly baptized;
2.(2) Firmly believes the religion he professes and practices to be the true religion, and
3.(3) Dies without the guilt of mortal sin on his soul.

Q. 511. Why do we say it is only possible for a person to be saved who does not know the CatholicChurch to be the true Church?
A. We say it is only possible for a person to be saved who does not know the Catholic Church to be the true Church, because the necessary conditions are not often found, especially that of dying in a state of grace without making use of the Sacrament of Penance.

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/resources/catechism/baltimore-catechism/lesson-11-on-the-church
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: JezusDeKoning on December 20, 2018, 01:35:01 AM
From the Baltimore Catechism;

Q. 510. Is it ever possible for one to be saved who does not know the Catholic Church to be the true Church?
A. It is possible for one to be saved who does not know the Catholic Church to be the true Church, provided that person:
1.(1) Has been validly baptized;
2.(2) Firmly believes the religion he professes and practices to be the true religion, and
3.(3) Dies without the guilt of mortal sin on his soul.

Q. 511. Why do we say it is only possible for a person to be saved who does not know the CatholicChurch to be the true Church?
A. We say it is only possible for a person to be saved who does not know the Catholic Church to be the true Church, because the necessary conditions are not often found, especially that of dying in a state of grace without making use of the Sacrament of Penance.

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/resources/catechism/baltimore-catechism/lesson-11-on-the-church
...But Ben Shapiro hasn't been baptized, genius. Maybe in his lifetime, he may go the way of the Apostles, or the Ratisbonne brothers and convert and live a pious, Catholic life. But right now, no.
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: poche on December 20, 2018, 04:59:54 AM
...But Ben Shapiro hasn't been baptized, genius. Maybe in his lifetime, he may go the way of the Apostles, or the Ratisbonne brothers and convert and live a pious, Catholic life. But right now, no.
If his ignorance is invincible then it is possible for him to be saved by the baptism of desire.
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: 2Vermont on December 20, 2018, 06:29:55 AM
I guess I should stop praying for my mom to get baptized before she dies.   ::)
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: Ladislaus on December 20, 2018, 07:42:02 AM
If his ignorance is invincible then it is possible for him to be saved by the baptism of desire.

False.  He must also have supernatural faith and supernatural charity; ignorance cannot be salvific but merely exculpatory.  And explicit knowledge of and supernatural faith in the Holy Trinity and the central mysteries of the Lord's Incarnation are required for supernatural faith.
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: Last Tradhican on December 20, 2018, 09:34:01 AM
As a Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven from Bishop Barron


Ben Shapiro recently had Bishop Robert Barron on his show. You can watch the full interview here. I want to draw our attention to one very specific question posed to the Bishop.

Shapiro : “I’m a Jew. I follow the Law. Can I go to Heaven”? Part of interview is here. (https://erickybarra.org/2018/12/16/bishop-robert-barron-has-misled-ben-shapiro/comment-page-1/#comment-1111)


https://catholicism.org/as-a-non-believing-jew-ben-shapiro-gets-a-free-pass-to-heaven-from-bishop-barron.html


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oDt8wWQsiA&t=1094s
That video came up on my Youtube offerings, but I looked at the "Bishop" in the picture and figured it was some Protestant "minister". I never bothered to watch it. Turns out I was right. He's Novus Ordo, same dung in different packaging. He may not even be a valid priest let alone a bishop. Is he effeminate too? 
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: Incredulous on December 20, 2018, 10:53:58 AM
Looks like Ben and Bishop Barron both need to visit Cathinfo's Feeney Ghetto... to get some education :farmer:

Funny how the jews and their hirelings, since the Crucifixion, have constantly tried to get into Heaven through some mysterious backdoor.

And the Bishop of LA is their boy to open the imaginary door for them.
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: Incredulous on December 20, 2018, 10:56:36 AM
If his ignorance is invincible then it is possible for him to be saved by the baptism of desire.
Poche,

No "Merry Christmas" for you, but that you be punished, in this world, for your heresy!
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: Pax Vobis on December 20, 2018, 11:17:10 AM
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If his ignorance is invincible then it is possible for him to be saved by the baptism of desire.
The fact that Ben knows 1) the Church exists, 2) there is a pope and a hierarchy, 1 of whom he invited on his show, 3) the story of Jesus Christ, 4) the Church's stance that only good Catholics get to heaven, and 5) that the Church's stance on salvation is so unique that he wanted to ask about it...

All of this shows Ben's ignorance is NOT invincible in ANY degree.  In fact, Ben's quite knowledgeable and therefore his rejection of the Faith (if he dies in his rejection) prevents his salvation, per Church teaching.  
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: Ladislaus on December 20, 2018, 11:27:31 AM
The fact that Ben knows 1) the Church exists, 2) there is a pope and a hierarchy, 1 of whom he invited on his show, 3) the story of Jesus Christ, 4) the Church's stance that only good Catholics get to heaven, and 5) that the Church's stance on salvation is so unique that he wanted to ask about it...

All of this shows Ben's ignorance is NOT invincible in ANY degree.  In fact, Ben's quite knowledgeable and therefore his rejection of the Faith (if he dies in his rejection) prevents his salvation, per Church teaching.  

Yep.  It's interesting how Invincible Ignorance, which was first applied to a jungle native who had never heard about Our Lord, now extends to someone who full well knows about the Church and Christianity.  It started with ignorance of fact, an intellectual thing, and then moved to "doesn't know it to be the true religion" (more an "ignorance of the will" as it were) ... so that those two or three people who have ever lived who knew it to be the true religion and refused to join it anyway are certainly lost.

"Yep.  Christ is God, and the Church is the True Church He founded and commanded us to join.  But no thanks.  I don't want to enter that Church."  How many of those are there?
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: 2Vermont on December 20, 2018, 03:10:29 PM
Here is Novus Ordo Watch's take:

https://novusordowatch.org/2018/12/robert-barron-ben-shapiro-no-need-to-become-catholic/

Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: MaterDominici on December 20, 2018, 10:52:35 PM
That video came up on my Youtube offerings, but I looked at the "Bishop" in the picture and figured it was some Protestant "minister". I never bothered to watch it. Turns out I was right. He's Novus Ordo, same dung in different packaging. He may not even be a valid priest let alone a bishop. Is he effeminate too?
I'll take that a step further... prior to Bp Barron, Shapiro had on a protestant minister (about 3 weeks ago). I watched a 6 minute clip of that interview and found the minister to be pretty straightforward in his explanation as to why Jews should embrace Christianity. I actually thought Shapiro might be considering a conversion at that point.
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Then, I watched a couple of clips from this joke of a "bishop" and I felt it was more likely that Shapiro brought this guy on the show just to laugh at Catholicism because I suspect that he knows good and well what the actual teaching of the Catholic Church is on the matter.
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: trad123 on December 20, 2018, 10:54:33 PM
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Here is Novus Ordo Watch's take:

https://novusordowatch.org/2018/12/robert-barron-ben-shapiro-no-need-to-become-catholic/


How can they correctly cite Pope Gregory XVI, yet write this:

https://novusordowatch.org/2016/01/francis-subtle-heresy-true-christian/


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Note in particular point no. 2: You must profess the True Faith. Pius XII does not say you need only to believe it, regardless of what you profess. This distinction, again, is crucial because it directly impacts the visibility of the Church: While it is possible, through invincible ignorance, to mistakenly assent to a heresy and yet retain the virtue of Faith, if you outwardly profess your adherence to this heresy, you cease to be a member of the Church. (This contradicts Francis’ other error, this time an error of excess contrary to his error of defect being exposed here, according to which all the baptized are members of the Church, regardless of what Faith they profess. This too is heresy.)

For this reason, the Catholic Church cannot regard individual members of heretical sects as Catholics even if they are not culpable with regard to their heresies and perhaps even possess the virtue of Faith. (The rejection of this all-important consideration is one of the fundamental errors of the False Ecclesiology of Vatican II, which grants “partial communion” to heretics on account of a valid baptism. Please also listen to our podcast on this question.)
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: poche on December 20, 2018, 11:15:58 PM
Yep.  It's interesting how Invincible Ignorance, which was first applied to a jungle native who had never heard about Our Lord, now extends to someone who full well knows about the Church and Christianity.  It started with ignorance of fact, an intellectual thing, and then moved to "doesn't know it to be the true religion" (more an "ignorance of the will" as it were) ... so that those two or three people who have ever lived who knew it to be the true religion and refused to join it anyway are certainly lost.

"Yep.  Christ is God, and the Church is the True Church He founded and commanded us to join.  But no thanks.  I don't want to enter that Church."  How many of those are there?
Jesus died to save us from our sins but He didn't die and make you psychic reader to be able to see into the secret of men's hearts. we can conjecture and we might be right, but we could also be wrong. Only God can see into the interior secret of men's hearts.
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: trad123 on December 20, 2018, 11:19:20 PM
Jesus died to save us from our sins but He didn't die and make you psychic reader to be able to see into the secret of men's hearts. we can conjecture and we might be right, but we could also be wrong. Only God can see into the interior secret of men's hearts.

http://www.papalencyclicals.net/pius09/p9nostis.htm

On the Church in the Pontifical States

Pope BI. Pius IX - 1849

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10. In particular, ensure that the faithful are deeply and thoroughly convinced of the truth of the doctrine that the Catholic faith is necessary for attaining salvation.[4] The Catholic laity and clergy should repeatedly offer special thanks to God in public prayers for the priceless gift of the Catholic religion. They should also beseech God to protect the profession of this faith in our country and to keep it unharmed.

Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: poche on December 20, 2018, 11:30:56 PM
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/pius09/p9nostis.htm

On the Church in the Pontifical States

Pope BI. Pius IX - 1849
And we should also promote the spread of that Faith.
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: JezusDeKoning on December 21, 2018, 12:04:47 AM
And we should also promote the spread of that Faith.
Yet, you're promoting a New Age religion where hell is empty and all one has to do to be saved is exist. You're not promoting the spread of Catholicism.
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: poche on December 21, 2018, 12:25:46 AM
Yet, you're promoting a New Age religion where hell is empty and all one has to do to be saved is exist. You're not promoting the spread of Catholicism.
I am not promoting a New Age religion where Hell is empty. If it were empty there would be no reason for it to exist. I am merely saying that without a particular revelation we cannot know for certain who is there and who is not.
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: Incredulous on December 21, 2018, 12:42:34 AM
I am not promoting a New Age religion where Hell is empty. If it were empty there would be no reason for it to exist. I am merely saying that without a particular revelation we cannot know for certain who is there and who is not.

We don't read hearts, but what Our Lord said is straight and simple and we can take it to the bank:

"He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned."

[Mark 16:16 (http://drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=48&ch=16&l=16#x)]
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: Last Tradhican on December 21, 2018, 05:52:24 AM
And we should also promote the spread of that Faith.
What "faith" are you spreading? Your Vatican II "faith" is not necessary for salvation by your own admission. That is why the vast majority of Catholics have left the Church (less than 5% of Catholics go to mass in France and other European Catholic countries.), and it is of no interest to the rest of the world. You are basically a fool to real Catholics and to the world, just like "Bishop" Barron and all of the Vatican II church, just another false religion among thousands of others (World Day of Prayer for Peace of Assisi?)
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: Vintagewife3 on December 21, 2018, 10:32:02 AM
Poche, I would honestly say it’s impossible to say that in most countries people have heard the saying The Catholic Church is the only true church, and the only way to get to heaven.” Id even bet you have to go pretty far into jungle/Forrest to find someone who hasn’t met a Catholic missionary who has said it. The church is to concerned with being politically correct to save souls. They will pay for that. 

Ben Shapiro is to smart for his own good, and that “bishop” fed into his game. Ben knows what the phoney should have said. 
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: Ladislaus on December 21, 2018, 10:40:08 AM
I am not promoting a New Age religion where Hell is empty. If it were empty there would be no reason for it to exist. I am merely saying that without a particular revelation we cannot know for certain who is there and who is not.

Particular individual, no ... since only God knows whether someone may have converted in their last moment through a special grace.  But we know out of principle that those who have no faith in Jesus Christ and the Holy Trinity cannot be saved.
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: Incredulous on December 21, 2018, 01:32:17 PM

Oh, forgot about the "invincibly ignorant" forest jews of Estonia.

(http://www.mannbarry.net/Lithuania/Beyachad/Malat%20(Moletai)/album/E-Young%20Jews%20in%20the%20Forest.jpg)
                        Masonic symbolism in the wild
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: 2Vermont on December 21, 2018, 03:48:47 PM
If his ignorance is invincible then it is possible for him to be saved by the baptism of desire.
JUST STOP.   :really-mad2:
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: Nadir on December 21, 2018, 03:53:52 PM
If his ignorance is invincible then it is possible for him to be saved by the baptism of desire.
Tell me, Poche, how does one desire something of which he is invincibly ignorant?
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: Prayerful on December 22, 2018, 06:27:19 PM
Wait!

Wait just a moment!

So, Father Barron gets a promotion to bishop after he states that "even atheists can make it to heaven."

Wow!

Blind leading blind.



Didn't St. John Chrysostom state that in hell, the roads are paved with the skulls of priests, and the lampposts are the bishops?
And for those who don't read the Church Fathers, then almost 1000 years later didn't Dante restate that in his Inferno?

Isn't this why priests and bishops are to take very seriously their ordination and consecration?
These men are called to serve the Church, and if they fail to lead Christ's flock to Heaven, then as false shepherds, they are damned to Hell.
All Jews and atheists going to heaven, and his willingness to use his God given skills as a communicator, to spread heresy, guarantees him a post as a Conciliar TV bishop. Conciliar priests who make the mistake of saying or doing Catholic things like burning a rainbow flag raised by a sodomite priest who killed himself at the NO table in a deeply sordid way, or even basic things like reporting a pervert / corrupt (perverts are usually dishonest too) colleague, or preaching in a very mild way Catholic teaching on suicide, are deprived of their living, threatened with committal to a psychiatric hospital, and in one or two cases likely suicided. They rarely are promoted, and if they were, are retired through the efforts of their Conciliar colleagues or the Argentine.
Barron might find later that selling his soul for a mess of pottage, has a painful downside.
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: JezusDeKoning on December 22, 2018, 07:28:33 PM
JUST STOP.   :really-mad2:
Trying to reason with Poche or expecting him to utter even a modicum of Catholic truth is like going to an aquarium, putting a copy of War and Peace in front of a dolphin and expecting it to read. Impossible.

I can understand Catholic fora allowing non-Catholics if they're catechumens and about to be received in the next year. But Poche is not a Catholic, period. He's some type of neo-Lutheran with a fondness for the current Pope.
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: Quid Retribuam Domino on December 22, 2018, 08:59:19 PM
Ben Shapiro looks like a demon.

It definitely has to do with his phenotype and genotype (curse stemming from Matthew 27:25), and not being baptized with water and Spirit.
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: JezusDeKoning on December 22, 2018, 09:18:41 PM
Ben Shapiro looks like a demon.

It definitely has to do with his phenotype and genotype (curse stemming from Matthew 27:25), and not being baptized with water and Spirit.
You're not wrong. He's only famous because there's so little Jewish Republicans. They're a group of people that vote liberal maybe 80% of the time. 
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: Cantarella on December 22, 2018, 11:01:10 PM
Ben Shapiro looks like a demon.

It definitely has to do with his phenotype and genotype (curse stemming from Matthew 27:25), and not being baptized with water and Spirit.

And there seems to be something off with his voice...
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: Cantarella on December 22, 2018, 11:09:48 PM
All Jews and atheists going to heaven, and his willingness to use his God given skills as a communicator, to spread heresy, guarantees him a post as a Conciliar TV bishop. Conciliar priests who make the mistake of saying or doing Catholic things like burning a rainbow flag raised by a sodomite priest who killed himself at the NO table in a deeply sordid way, or even basic things like reporting a pervert / corrupt (perverts are usually dishonest too) colleague, or preaching in a very mild way Catholic teaching on suicide, are deprived of their living, threatened with committal to a psychiatric hospital, and in one or two cases likely suicided. They rarely are promoted, and if they were, are retired through the efforts of their Conciliar colleagues or the Argentine.
Barron might find later that selling his soul for a mess of pottage, has a painful downside.

Most heresies are invented and/or spread by once Catholic priests and bishops (Think Luther). In referring to those, Our Lord says:

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15 (https://www.biblehub.com/matthew/7-15.htm)Beware of false prophets, who come to you in the clothing of sheep, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 (https://www.biblehub.com/matthew/7-16.htm)By their fruits you shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 (https://www.biblehub.com/matthew/7-17.htm)Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, and the evil tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 (https://www.biblehub.com/matthew/7-18.htm)A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can an evil tree bring forth good fruit. 19 (https://www.biblehub.com/matthew/7-19.htm)Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit, shall be cut down, and shall be cast into the fire. 20 (https://www.biblehub.com/matthew/7-20.htm)Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them.
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: Conspiracy_Factist on December 23, 2018, 12:14:19 AM
I am not promoting a New Age religion where Hell is empty. If it were empty there would be no reason for it to exist. I am merely saying that without a particular revelation we cannot know for certain who is there and who is not.
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wrong, we know the jew who dies a jew goes to hell, there is no baptism of desire in the case where a jew dies a jew,

St. Fulgentius
(468-533), Bishop: "Most firmly hold and never doubt that not only pagans, but also Jews, all heretics, and all schismatics who finish this life outside of the Catholic Church, will go into eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: JezusDeKoning on December 23, 2018, 05:45:37 PM
Poche, it's not personal. Not at all. I'm just worried that you'll lead people astray if they go on this forum and immediately see heresy.
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: poche on December 23, 2018, 10:44:50 PM
Tell me, Poche, how does one desire something of which he is invincibly ignorant?
The grace of God
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: poche on December 23, 2018, 11:15:37 PM
What "faith" are you spreading? Your Vatican II "faith" is not necessary for salvation by your own admission. That is why the vast majority of Catholics have left the Church (less than 5% of Catholics go to mass in France and other European Catholic countries.), and it is of no interest to the rest of the world. You are basically a fool to real Catholics and to the world, just like "Bishop" Barron and all of the Vatican II church, just another false religion among thousands of others (World Day of Prayer for Peace of Assisi?)
I am spreading the same Faith that was taught when we used the Baltimore Catechism. I refer to them when I try to answer Mr. Shapiro's question.  
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: Quid Retribuam Domino on December 24, 2018, 01:32:20 AM
I am spreading the same Faith that was taught when we used the Baltimore Catechism. I refer to them when I try to answer Mr. Shapiro's question. 

Baltimore catechism is infused with heresies including Americanism.
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: poche on December 24, 2018, 01:47:07 AM
Poche, it's not personal. Not at all. I'm just worried that you'll lead people astray if they go on this forum and immediately see heresy.
The Baltimore Catechism does not teach heresy. It was the catechism that generations of Catholic children were brought up with until Vatican II.   
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: Quid Retribuam Domino on December 24, 2018, 07:56:42 PM
The Baltimore Catechism does not teach heresy. It was the catechism that generations of Catholic children were brought up with until Vatican II.   

Wrong. There was incremental heresy within the Church, as manifested in the Baltimore Catechism, leading up to Vatican II. These creeping heresies are what made Vatican II possible. Vatican II didn't come out of nowhere. Even Pope St. Pius X warned the Church of the creeping heresies long before Vatican II.

Baltimore Catechism teaches the heresy that people can be saved in false religions, and the heresy of "baptism of desire and blood".
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: Incredulous on December 24, 2018, 10:12:50 PM


The qualifier is Peace to Men of Good Will.

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If one is of "Good Will" he will hear Our Lord's command to believe and get Baptized.

Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: poche on December 24, 2018, 10:43:51 PM
I haven't heard of the Baltimore Catechism teaching that people are saved by false religions. It states very clearly;
Q. 508. Why did Christ found the Church?
A. Christ founded the Church to teach, govern, sanctify, and save all men.

Q. 509. Are all bound to belong to the Church?
A. All are bound to belong to the Church, and he who knows the Church to be the true Church and remains out of it cannot be saved.

And also later on it says;

Q. 515. How do you answer such excuses?
A.
1.(1) To say that we should remain in a false religion because we were born in it is as untrue as to say we should not heal our bodily diseases because we were born with them.
2.(2) To say there are too many poor and ignorant in the Catholic Church is to declare that it is Christ's Church; for He always taught the poor and ignorant and instructed His Church to continue the work.
3.(3) To say that one religion is as good as another is to assert that Christ labored uselessly and taught falsely; for He came to abolish the old religion and found the new in which alone we can be saved as He Himself declared.

Q. 516. Why can there be only one true religion?
A. There can be only one true religion, because a thing cannot be false and true at the same time, and, therefore, all religions that contradict the teaching of the true Church must teach falsehood. If all religions in which men seek to serve God are equally good and true, why did Christ disturb the Jewish religion and the Apostles condemn heretics?

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/resources/catechism/baltimore-catechism/lesson-11-on-the-church

Also with respect to where he said that Hell, it it exists is almost empty, I repeat what St Alphonsus de Ligouri said, "Those who deny the existence of Hell are those most likely to go there." 
Wrong. There was incremental heresy within the Church, as manifested in the Baltimore Catechism, leading up to Vatican II. These creeping heresies are what made Vatican II possible. Vatican II didn't come out of nowhere. Even Pope St. Pius X warned the Church of the creeping heresies long before Vatican II.

Baltimore Catechism teaches the heresy that people can be saved in false religions, and the heresy of "baptism of desire and blood".
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: Quid Retribuam Domino on December 25, 2018, 05:51:00 PM
I haven't heard of the Baltimore Catechism teaching that people are saved by false religions. It states very clearly;
Q. 508. Why did Christ found the Church?
A. Christ founded the Church to teach, govern, sanctify, and save all men.

Q. 509. Are all bound to belong to the Church?
A. All are bound to belong to the Church, and he who knows the Church to be the true Church and remains out of it cannot be saved.

And also later on it says;

Q. 515. How do you answer such excuses?
A.
1.(1) To say that we should remain in a false religion because we were born in it is as untrue as to say we should not heal our bodily diseases because we were born with them.
2.(2) To say there are too many poor and ignorant in the Catholic Church is to declare that it is Christ's Church; for He always taught the poor and ignorant and instructed His Church to continue the work.
3.(3) To say that one religion is as good as another is to assert that Christ labored uselessly and taught falsely; for He came to abolish the old religion and found the new in which alone we can be saved as He Himself declared.

Q. 516. Why can there be only one true religion?
A. There can be only one true religion, because a thing cannot be false and true at the same time, and, therefore, all religions that contradict the teaching of the true Church must teach falsehood. If all religions in which men seek to serve God are equally good and true, why did Christ disturb the Jewish religion and the Apostles condemn heretics?

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/resources/catechism/baltimore-catechism/lesson-11-on-the-church


The following excerpt from the Baltimore Catechism is the creeping heresy, among others, that was subtly infused into this Americanist "catechism". The slithery that is you conveniently omitted it:

Q. 510. Is it ever possible for one to be saved who does not know the Catholic Church to be the true

Church?

A. It is possible for one to be saved who does not know the Catholic Church to be the true Church, provided that

person:

1.(1) Has been validly baptized;

2.(2) Firmly believes the religion he professes and practices to be the true religion, and

3.(3) Dies without the guilt of mortal sin on his soul.

# 2 states that if the person believes and practices his false religion of Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, New Age, etc. to be the "true religion", he can be saved. This is absolutely against numerous ex cathedra decrees by various popes, which affirm that no person outside of the Catholic Church can be saved. Such persons, as specified by these same infallible decrees, are Jews, heretics, Muslims, schismatics, pagans, non-believers, etc, who are damned eternally.

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Also with respect to where he said that Hell, it it exists is almost empty, I repeat what St Alphonsus de Ligouri said, "Those who deny the existence of Hell are those most likely to go there."

You're insidious. St. Ligouri didn't say Hell is almost empty. You said it.
St. Ligouri is communicating the fact that people, who don't believe in Hell, usually commit the most heinous crimes because they think there will be no consequences for their sins, thus, these very sins warrant them eternal perdition more than anyone. That doesn't mean people who commit lesser evils, but still die in the state of mortal sin, don't go to hell.
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: Cantarella on December 25, 2018, 10:40:05 PM
If his ignorance is invincible then it is possible for him to be saved by the baptism of desire.

This has nothing to do with invincible ignorance or baptism of desire.

Why every single time the salvation of a non-Catholic is concerned, these two notions are brought up promptly as somehow interconnected? They are actually different concepts.

Ben Shaphiro's claim to salvific righteousness is based upon his observance of the Mosaic Law. He made the reference very explicitly during the interview. Apparently, his strict observance of the Ten Commandments and the Jewish 613 mitzvot (https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/mitzvot), gains him entrance to Heaven, as was proposed in the Old Testament.

Remember, according to the new religion emanating from the Vatican, Jews are somehow heirs of Heaven without needing conversion (and the 2,000 year old conduct of Holy Mother Church in relation to the Jews has been wrong all along).
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: poche on December 25, 2018, 10:43:02 PM

The following excerpt from the Baltimore Catechism is the creeping heresy, among others, that was subtly infused into this Americanist "catechism". The slithery that is you conveniently omitted it:

Q. 510. Is it ever possible for one to be saved who does not know the Catholic Church to be the true

Church?

A. It is possible for one to be saved who does not know the Catholic Church to be the true Church, provided that

person:

1.(1) Has been validly baptized;

2.(2) Firmly believes the religion he professes and practices to be the true religion, and

3.(3) Dies without the guilt of mortal sin on his soul.

# 2 states that if the person believes and practices his false religion of Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, New Age, etc. to be the "true religion", he can be saved. This is absolutely against numerous ex cathedra decrees by various popes, which affirm that no person outside of the Catholic Church can be saved. Such persons, as specified by these same infallible decrees, are Jews, heretics, Muslims, schismatics, pagans, non-believers, etc, who are damned eternally.

You're insidious. St. Ligouri didn't say Hell is almost empty. You said it.
St. Ligouri is communicating the fact that people, who don't believe in Hell, usually commit the most heinous crimes because they think there will be no consequences for their sins, thus, these very sins warrant them eternal perdition more than anyone. That doesn't mean people who commit lesser evils, but still die in the state of mortal sin, don't go to hell.
I did not intend to say that St Alphonsus Ligouri said that Hell was almost empty. It is alleged that Bishop Barron said that. I say that that is a dangerous thing to be saying because St Alphonsus Ligouri said that those who are most likely to go to Hell are those who did not believe in its existence. If hell is almost empty it is almost as if it did not exist. 
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: poche on December 25, 2018, 10:50:49 PM
This has nothing to do with invincible ignorance or baptism of desire.

Why every single time the salvation of a non-Catholic is concerned, these two notions are brought up promptly as somehow interconnected? They are actually different concepts.

Ben Shaphiro's claim to salvific righteousness is based upon his observance of the Mosaic Law. He made the reference very explicitly during the interview. Apparently, his strict observance of the Ten Commandments and the Jewish 613 mitzvot (https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/mitzvot), gains him entrance to Heaven, as was proposed in the Old Testament.

Remember, according to the new religion emanating from the Vatican, Jews are somehow heirs of Heaven without needing conversion (and the 2,000 year old conduct of Holy Mother Church in relation to the Jews has been wrong all along).
Any claim by Mr Shapiro's is based on his own ignorance. I think we should pray for his conversion every day and leave the judgement to God.
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: Cantarella on December 25, 2018, 11:21:33 PM
Any claim by Mr Shapiro's is based on his own ignorance. I think we should pray for his conversion every day and leave the judgement to God.

I agree that we should pray for his conversion every day and leave the ultimate judgment to God. However, from what we observe, we can say that, at present time, he is neither an "invincible ignorant" of our Holy Religion; nor he is a catechumen.
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: Conspiracy_Factist on December 25, 2018, 11:22:59 PM

The following excerpt from the Baltimore Catechism is the creeping heresy, among others, that was subtly infused into this Americanist "catechism". The slithery that is you conveniently omitted it:

Q. 510. Is it ever possible for one to be saved who does not know the Catholic Church to be the true

Church?

A. It is possible for one to be saved who does not know the Catholic Church to be the true Church, provided that

person:

1.(1) Has been validly baptized;

2.(2) Firmly believes the religion he professes and practices to be the true religion, and

3.(3) Dies without the guilt of mortal sin on his soul.

# 2 states that if the person believes and practices his false religion of Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, New Age, etc. to be the "true religion", he can be saved. This is absolutely against numerous ex cathedra decrees by various popes, which affirm that no person outside of the Catholic Church can be saved. Such persons, as specified by these same infallible decrees, are Jews, heretics, Muslims, schismatics, pagans, non-believers, etc, who are damned eternally.

# 2 can't be talking about judaism,muslims,buddhists since they are not baptised...I'm assuming it's referring to protestants..no?..
St. Thomas Aquinas, De Veritate, 14, A. 11, ad 1: Objection- “It is possible that someone may be brought up in the forest, or among wolves; such a man cannot explicitly know anything about the faith.  St. Thomas replies- It is the characteristic of Divine Providence to provide every man with what is necessary for salvation… provided on his part there is no hindrance.  In the case of a man who seeks good and shuns evil, by the leading of natural reason, God would either reveal to him through internal inspiration what had to be believed, or would send some preacher of the faith to him
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: Cantarella on December 25, 2018, 11:37:10 PM
# 2 can't be talking about judaism,muslims,buddhists since they are not baptised...I'm assuming it's referring to protestants..no?..
St. Thomas Aquinas, De Veritate, 14, A. 11, ad 1: Objection- “It is possible that someone may be brought up in the forest, or among wolves; such a man cannot explicitly know anything about the faith.  St. Thomas replies- It is the characteristic of Divine Providence to provide every man with what is necessary for salvation… provided on his part there is no hindrance.  In the case of a man who seeks good and shuns evil, by the leading of natural reason, God would either reveal to him through internal inspiration what had to be believed, or would send some preacher of the faith to him

Yes, some Protestants, and also Eastern Orthodox, exclusively.

Non-Christians are not baptized. Ben Shaphiro is not baptized.

St. Thomas Aquinas mentions the possibility of even sending an Angel before the moment of death if necessary, to a non Christian who perseveres in seeking truth and strives to follow the natural moral law. God then gives him the Grace to repent of sin, explicitly believe at least the most basic truths of our Catholic Faith, be validly baptized, and thus be able to reach salvation and attain the Beatific Vision.
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: Quid Retribuam Domino on December 26, 2018, 12:31:18 AM
# 2 can't be talking about judaism,muslims,buddhists since they are not baptised...I'm assuming it's referring to protestants..no?..
St. Thomas Aquinas, De Veritate, 14, A. 11, ad 1: Objection- “It is possible that someone may be brought up in the forest, or among wolves; such a man cannot explicitly know anything about the faith.  St. Thomas replies- It is the characteristic of Divine Providence to provide every man with what is necessary for salvation… provided on his part there is no hindrance.  In the case of a man who seeks good and shuns evil, by the leading of natural reason, God would either reveal to him through internal inspiration what had to be believed, or would send some preacher of the faith to him

Good point, but I was talking about validly baptized Protties or even Catholics who convert to Buddhism, Islam, New Age, Hinduism and, some, even convert to Judaism such as Trump's daughter.

It's a trend for Western sheeple to convert to these false religions. It's trendy to be Antichrist.
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: Incredulous on December 26, 2018, 11:04:53 AM
Any claim by Mr Shapiro's is based on his own ignorance. I think we should pray for his conversion every day and leave the judgement to God.
Poche,

Your posts border on the ludicrous.

Shapiro is very likely an Israeli trained agent, posing as a media conservative.
If you don't get what I'm saying, CNN's Wolf Blitzer, a Mossad news media operative is a pure play, Israeli propagandist.

So hear you are, on a traditional Catholic forum, feeling sympathy for Ben Shapiro "ignorance" and evangelizing us to pray for his conversion.  You lack discernment in that, Shapiro instead, should be admonished by Catholics for the Talmudic heresy he's spreading over national news.  How many souls are being misled by such judaic trash theology?

Yes, we pray for our enemies, the jews and I'll bet over 90% of Cathinfo's forum members pray for the conversion of sinners.
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: JezusDeKoning on December 26, 2018, 12:05:00 PM
No one who maintains that much of a public presence is ignorant of the True Faith. It's not possible, and Ben Shapiro has no excuse.
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: Ladislaus on December 26, 2018, 02:18:53 PM
Trying to reason with Poche or expecting him to utter even a modicum of Catholic truth is like going to an aquarium, putting a copy of War and Peace in front of a dolphin and expecting it to read. Impossible.

So, could it be said that poche is invincibly ignorant about the Catholic faith ... despite the fact that he hangs out on a Traditional Catholic forum?   :confused:
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: 2Vermont on December 26, 2018, 02:22:01 PM
So, could it be said that poche is invincibly ignorant about the Catholic faith ... despite the fact that he hangs out on a Traditional Catholic forum?   :confused:
I suspect that Poche prays for *our* conversions.
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: Last Tradhican on December 26, 2018, 02:41:45 PM
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Invincible ignorance
God can't convert the invincible ignorant, but He can convert boulders into faithful Catholics:

"For I tell you that God is able of these stones to raise up children to Abraham" ( Mat 3:9 )
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: Ladislaus on December 26, 2018, 04:47:15 PM
I suspect that Poche prays for *our* conversions.

:laugh1: ... that's most likely the case.
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: dymphnaw on December 27, 2018, 08:16:55 PM
Ben Shapiro looks like a demon.

It definitely has to do with his phenotype and genotype (curse stemming from Matthew 27:25), and not being baptized with water and Spirit.

Huh?
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: trad123 on December 27, 2018, 08:39:12 PM
I suspect that Poche prays for *our* conversions.


https://forums.catholic.com/t/catholic-rites/304059/23


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All the rites of the Catholic Church follow the magisterium of the Catholic church. they all follow Vatican II. They all recognise the pope.
 there is a rule in the catholic church that one bishop not ordain another bishop without a mandate from the pope. Archbishop Lefevre disobeyed Pope John Paul II and ordained foru bishops without this mandate.Therrefore, unfortunately there exists a schism as a result of Archbishop Levevre’s disobedience. There have been talks with the leadership of the sspx and the vatican where hopefully an arrangement can be made to regularize this unfortunate situation. Let us all pray that these talks are successful and that thsi situation can be regularized.


https://forums.catholic.com/t/a-question/346501


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(. . .)


One of those moments , me and another woman who had brought her children to confession went to the rectory and asked the priest to hear our confessions and he refused.
 In these cases, it is possible to go to a priest as schismatic SSPX ?



https://forums.catholic.com/t/fsspx/349902/56


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FSSPX and the SSPX are one and the same. They are not in communion with the Catholic Church. The FSSP is a different community and it is in full communion with the Catholic Church.



https://forums.catholic.com/t/how-to-distinguish-churches-generally/447823/7


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Quote: Throw a curveball in here: How should we classify the Old Catholics and the SSPX?

Eventually they will be categorized as churches which have valid mass and the other sacraments. Let us pray for a reconciliation between these groups and the Catholic Church.


https://forums.catholic.com/t/any-good-sedevacantist-debates/459214/3

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Sedevacantism is a lie.


https://forums.catholic.com/t/usefulness-of-sspx-to-the-church/525332/16

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I think that the SSPX would be useful to the Church if they were in full communion with he rest of the Church.
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: trad123 on December 27, 2018, 08:44:03 PM
Ben Shapiro looks like a demon.

It definitely has to do with his phenotype and genotype (curse stemming from Matthew 27:25), and not being baptized with water and Spirit.

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Huh?


https://www.cathinfo.com/anonymous-posts-allowed/are-jews-white/msg597667/#msg597667

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The Jews, due to their racial curse stemming from the events in Matthew 27:25, have a distorted genotype and phenotype unlike any other race, the latter being why a person, who is tuned into the Jewish problem and has keen eyes, can usually identify a racial Jew, regardless if the Jew has blond hair, blue eyes & fair skin or black hair, brown eyes & olive skin, or anything in between, and regardless if the Jew is an implant in Russia, Portugal, Germany or Turkey.

Only Baptism into Christ with water and Spirit, and sincere conversion, can lift the curse of the Jew, thereby, eliminating the Jews' predatory countenance, darkness, hollowedness, soullessness, hideousness & ugliness, by the Light of Christ in them. However, the genotype remains the same, just like any scar remains after a wound has healed.

Th Jews aren't white. They pretend to be white as a means to convince real white people to revolt against their own self-preservation and interests. The Jews are inducers of hypnoses to host populations and observers who are apathetic to their own scandal & subjugation. The Jews are offspring of the Serpent in Genesis 3:15.
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: trad123 on December 27, 2018, 08:45:57 PM
https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/gortan-was-banned/msg112438/#msg112438


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He was a member here before, and I banned him once already. That alone is a ban-able offense.
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: poche on December 27, 2018, 11:38:06 PM
I suspect that Poche prays for *our* conversions.
I ask that you pray for me.
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: Quid Retribuam Domino on December 27, 2018, 11:56:54 PM
https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/gortan-was-banned/msg112438/#msg112438

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He was a member here before, and I banned him once already. That alone is a ban-able offense.

I'm not the Hobgoblin. lol
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: trad123 on December 28, 2018, 12:03:42 AM
I'm not the Hobgoblin. lol

I quoted a forum rule, nothing more.

Are you Croix de Fer?
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: poche on December 28, 2018, 05:09:57 AM

https://www.cathinfo.com/anonymous-posts-allowed/are-jews-white/msg597667/#msg597667
St Teresa of Avila was the grand daughter of a converso. 
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: JezusDeKoning on December 28, 2018, 05:20:07 AM
St Teresa of Avila was the grand daughter of a converso.
No, he was a marrano -- someone who converted and then wickedly returned back to Judaism.
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: poche on December 30, 2018, 10:47:26 PM
No, he was a marrano -- someone who converted and then wickedly returned back to Judaism.
But his grand daughter was a great saint, a part of the counter reformation.
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: JezusDeKoning on December 30, 2018, 11:19:49 PM
But his grand daughter was a great saint, a part of the counter reformation.
Yes, because God can bring light (one of Holy Mother Church's great saints) out of darkness (a false convert).
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: poche on December 30, 2018, 11:31:09 PM
Yes, because God can bring light (one of Holy Mother Church's great saints) out of darkness (a false convert).
St Teresa of Avila was not a false convert.
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: JezusDeKoning on December 30, 2018, 11:34:25 PM
St Teresa of Avila was not a false convert.
No, her grandfather was.
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: poche on December 31, 2018, 10:24:18 PM
No, her grandfather was.
Her grandfather was poorly catechized. Once the Faith was explained to him he was a better Catholic.
Title: Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
Post by: 2Vermont on January 09, 2019, 10:58:39 AM
I ask that you pray for me.
I pray that all those stuck in the Novus Ordo sect convert to Catholicism.