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Author Topic: Is It a Mortal Sin to Attend the New Mass.  (Read 6100 times)

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Re: Is It a Mortal Sin to Attend the New Mass.
« Reply #20 on: September 13, 2020, 01:46:22 AM »
If you want to argue that as your own opinion, fine.  But Matthew has not said this, nor did Bishop Williamson.  
Matthew said that being home alone is not good. He said that that is one of his pet peeves. So in the case of someone who has no access to the TLM, no access to an eastern rite liturgy, what else is left if not the Novus Ordo? And who knows, God could be calling that person to bring a sense of Tradition into that part of the world.   

Re: Is It a Mortal Sin to Attend the New Mass.
« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2020, 05:53:10 AM »
The wrong question is being asked.
We should not ask "is this a mortal sin?" Something may be venial sin. Then we cannot do it.
We should ask "Is this what God wants me to do?"
Does God want me to go to this NO mass? 
In my opinion, and it is only an opinion, the answer is no. God would not want me to go to this NO Mass.
The NO Mass is not a sacrifice giving honour to God. It is a community meal where we sit down with Jesus Christ as an equal and enjoy ourselves.
God doesn't want me attending such a meal.
To say such attendance is a mortal sin depends on too many circuмstances to make a general rule. Three things are required for mortal sin, grave matter, awareness of the gravity of the matter and full consent. If these are all there it is a mortal sin. But let us say they are not all there and it is not a mortal sin. Does that mean God wants me to go to the NO Mass? I think not.


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Re: Is It a Mortal Sin to Attend the New Mass.
« Reply #22 on: September 13, 2020, 09:39:32 AM »
Matthew said that being home alone is not good. He said that that is one of his pet peeves. So in the case of someone who has no access to the TLM, no access to an eastern rite liturgy, what else is left if not the Novus Ordo? And who knows, God could be calling that person to bring a sense of Tradition into that part of the world.  
"all you need to do is consider what has happened to the faith of those who have been attending the new mass through the years". ^^

Re: Is It a Mortal Sin to Attend the New Mass.
« Reply #23 on: September 13, 2020, 11:59:14 AM »
Matthew said that being home alone is not good. He said that that is one of his pet peeves. So in the case of someone who has no access to the TLM, no access to an eastern rite liturgy, what else is left if not the Novus Ordo? And who knows, God could be calling that person to bring a sense of Tradition into that part of the world.  
No, Matthew was talking about a movement called "dogmatic home aloners."  These people won't attend mass *anywhere*.  He specifically distinguished these people from people who are home alone only due to circuмstance.  Since I don't think many, if any people can't find an NO, it stands to reason that at a minimum, Matthew is not *targeting* people who would only attend a TLM.  Rather he is attacking people that think due to a power vaccuм in the Church, there isn't ANY mass that could be lawfully attended.

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Re: Is It a Mortal Sin to Attend the New Mass.
« Reply #24 on: September 13, 2020, 03:05:35 PM »
To say such attendance is a mortal sin depends on too many circuмstances to make a general rule. Three things are required for mortal sin, grave matter, awareness of the gravity of the matter and full consent. If these are all there it is a mortal sin. But let us say they are not all there and it is not a mortal sin. Does that mean God wants me to go to the NO Mass? I think not.
Are you suggesting that the confused trad who asked the question to TIA, does not recognize attendance as a grave matter? Or is unaware of the gravity, or would go with only partial consent (thereby nullifying the danger)? If that was the case, then why would he ask the question at all?

According to those three things....if he was planning on ever going there at all, the absolute worst thing he could ever do was ask that question. Thankfully TIA gave no answer so he remains confused, and because of his confusion he can call upon those three things to come to his defense should he need to - he is therefore free to go without any concern whatsoever about whether it is a mortal sin or not. And per his confusion combined with those three things, it's not a mortal sin.  

Those three conditions are in need of correction because per those conditions, in his confusion he could decide to go once, then twice, then frequently - and lose his faith same as the multitudes who go / went there have. So much for those three things required for mortal sin.