Author Topic: Imminent split between Bishop Williamson and the SSPX? (Read 24080 times)

Ethelred · « **Reply #155 on:** December 13, 2010, 01:40:40 PM »

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Fr. Schmiderger even encouraged the SSPX laity to visit Motu Masses when it has been released.

Yes, indeed.

When in July 2007 Benedict XVI released the Motu Proprio, Fr. Schmidberger encouraged the SSPX laity to visit Motu Proprio Masses in order to "support these". This has been told to us via our local parish SSPX priests, and some months later it also got published in the SSPX German zone monthly newsletter which is edited by Fr. Schmidberger.

The published encouraging has been written in a slightly double thinking way, but it's been clear to anybody they wanted us to go to Motu Proprio Masses in order to "support these"...
It's been published in the SSPX Newsletter 2007-11 (i.e. November 2007), page 29. You can download it from the Internet, too (click here). First there's some talk about a Newchurch' church in Regensburg where a Motu Proprio Latin Mass has been celebrated, and then the SSPX encourages its laymen to "support" these Motu Proprio Masses by "acting", i.e. attending.

All German zone SSPX clerics and laity receive this newsletter, i.e. we Austrians, too.

At the time of this I started to wonder if the SSPX has lost its mind. Today I'm sure it has. But... will a split be imminent? I don't think there's time left for it, because: "Open war is upon you, whether you would risk it or not."

Telesphorus · « **Reply #156 on:** December 13, 2010, 02:28:40 PM »

Some of the Tridentine masses done under the local bishops are done well.

Usually the people who attend them are serious Catholics. Probably more serious than a lot of second generation sspx Catholics.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #157 on:** December 13, 2010, 02:30:09 PM »

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At the time of this I started to wonder if the SSPX has lost its mind.

Yes, Bishop Fellay has anyway, as have so many posters on sites like fisheaters and people here have too.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #158 on:** October 08, 2012, 06:08:15 PM »

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Wow! Ethel! Im shocked at the state of the SSPX Catholics in Europe.

There's an easier and more objective way to show what I tried to express with many subjective words... :

Vocations.
Or rather: Lack of vocations!

The German SSPX priest seminary is in Zaitzkofen, Bayern, South Germany. It's roughly as large as the US seminary Winona I think. All German speaking seminarians go to Zaitzkofen and it's a very nice place: a lovely castle. There's just two further seminaries in Europe: Econe in French speaking Switzerland, and one in France.

This year in Zaitzkofen just 3 (three) priests have been consecrated... :-(
Where do they come from?
- 0 from Germany
- 0 from Austria
- 0 from Switzerland (75% of Switzerland is German by language, see map please)
- 1 from South Tirol (German by language, materially part of Austria, but formally part of Italy - still)
- 1 from Czechoslovakia
- 1 from Sweden (good man)

So, has this year been an exception? No. The last years haven't been much better, and hardly any German enters the seminary.
Similar numbers apply to the SSPX sisters by the way: hardly any German speaking girl enters the convent(s).

That says a lot.

Well, the increasing collaborating with the anti-christian Jews through Bishop Fellay, his Zionist Krah and his mentor Fr. Pfluger, as well as lectures at the lunch table about h0Ɩ0h0αx stories in Zaitzkofen don't really help vocations.

Let's also not forget that both Fr. Schmidberger and Fr. "h0Ɩ0h0αx" Pfluger have been rectors of Zaitzkofen and district superiors in Germany.

Although you can't directly compare that with the USA and a true traditional Bishop Williamson who as rector cultivated Winona for two or so decades, it still tells something.
God bless Bishop Williamson!

If the German zone had a Bishop Williamson for one decade, a lot of things would change! But... they (the government, the media, the money) prefers to attack and persecute him for not believing in the h0Ɩ0h0αx, and Bp. Fellay, Fr. Schmidberger and Fr. Pfluger helped these antichrists in doing so. What a shame.

We get what we deserve.

The neo-SSPX is not Catholic, but is crypto-conciliar.

s2srea · « **Reply #159 on:** October 08, 2012, 06:44:05 PM »

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The neo-SSPX is not Catholic, but is crypto-conciliar.

I don't know if I would say that about the entirety of the group. Are there priests and bishop(s) who are further from the principles of the Archbishop than others- yes, I believe so. But I wouldn't judge the whole based on the minority. I think most priests and attendees are good willed and trying to do the right thing. Just like other traditional groups have problems, the Society is going through its own.

This idea arises when one has the mentality that the SSPX was (and is) the only bastion of hope left for the Church- it is not, and may never have been. For all we know Our Blessed Lord may choose to convert the Church from within. The charity of Novus Ordites often exceeds our our own. Without charity, we can do nothing, and we have certainty lacked in this regard. The more I've thought about this, the more I've come to realize that I wouldn't put it past our Lord that he may in fact do this, partly as a punishment to Traditional Catholics.