Author Topic: How Would You Answer This Woman? (Read 2966 times)

Miser Peccator · « **on:** April 27, 2023, 04:18:57 PM »

So I'm in an online discussion with a lady about how the Catechism/Lumen Gentium declares that we worship the same god as Muslims. Here is what she said:

"Of course we worship the same God as the Muslims! They just don't worship Him in His fullness that is the Trinity. There's only One God so as long as you worship God and not Satan you are still worshipping God, even as imperfect as that understanding may be. Your responsibility as a Catholic is always to construe the Catechism in the way the Church construes it, not in the way YOU construe, lest you be in error."

How would you respond to her?

Nadir · « **Reply #1 on:** April 27, 2023, 04:29:28 PM »

I would question her about God. Does she/muslims believe that Jesus is God. Muslims don't believe Jesus is God, hence they do not know God, so how can they believe in Whom they don't know. It defies reason.

Mithrandylan · « **Reply #2 on:** April 27, 2023, 04:31:58 PM »

This belief is used as a pretext for anti-evangelism. I think it's mostly an abuse of words to claim that Muslims worship the same God as Christians. In whatever extraordinarily limited sense in which it might be true to say they worship the same God, the degree to which they fail in recognizing essential 'features' of God's identity is catastrophic. In failing to know He is a Trinity, and especially that Jesus Christ is the second Person of the Trinity, they abandon all access to the One Church God founded, to the sacraments distributed within that Church, to the delightful truths and moral teachings espoused by it and enjoyed by true Christians throughout time and space, and so on. Being able to claim in a limited sense they worship the 'same' God does not make up for that.
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Ladislaus · « **Reply #3 on:** April 27, 2023, 04:32:06 PM »

No, God being Holy Trinity is not merely His "fullness" but it's of His essence (loosely speaking, since God just has existence of course). Our Lord taught quite clearly that "No man cometh to the Father but by Me." (John 14:6)

You can say that there's a God, but unless you worship the objectively True God, as He has revealed Himself, you're not worshipping God as He is but rather your concept of God, which could be a figment of your imagination.

This Vatican II speak about "fullness" (cf. my criticism of +Fellay's 95% comment) has done tremendous damage.

Let's take this analogy. I'm in love with some celebrity, say, some movie star. But this love is based on my conception of her based on the characters I've seen her play in the movies. But when I actually get to know the REAL person, as she is, I find that she's insufferable. And she's not even particularly attractive once she loses the movie makeup. So, did I really love this celebrity? No. I loved some figment of my imagination and some fictional portrayal. Same thing with God. They worship their CONCEPT of God, which is deeply flawed, but they do not worship the True God, as He is, as He has revealed Himself to us.

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #4 on:** April 27, 2023, 04:39:37 PM »

No, Catholics don’t worship the same God as moslems.

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God" (John 3:16-18).

This is the true teaching of the Catholic Church.

Many are being deceived by Satan including this woman.

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