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Heresies of Vatican II
« Reply #100 on: October 17, 2011, 09:19:37 PM »
There are not two holy places in God's Kingdom, there is only ONE. The old 'holy place' was IN the temple of the Jews. The veil of that temple was ripped in two from top to bottom to show that it was no longer a sacred place to God. The temple itself was leveled in A.D. 70 by Titus and the Roman armies, in fulfillment of Our Lord's prophecy that there would not be 'one stone left upon another that will not be thrown down'.

There are not TWO peoples of God, there is only ONE people of God, namely, the Church. The Jews called God's wrath down upon themselves and all their progeny when they cried for the Blood of Christ to be on their heads and the heads of their children from then on.

The religion of the Jew today is representative of the legalistic Pharisaical religion of the time of Christ, which was already a severe departure from the faith of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Today's Jew is no closer to the Old Covenant Jew than they are to Christ. Their religion is a mish-mash of cultural accretions, superstitions and socio-political maneuvering designed to keep the Jews in the most advantageous positions in politics and finance.

Interestingly, the Jews of Israel are being handled much like the Conciliar church's membership is; they are being led around by the nose by people who don't even PRETEND to be Jews except by ethnicity UNTIL it's time for some holiday or time to raise more money for their Zionist causes. Then, the yarmulkes come out and they start singing the old Hebrew songs.

As I and many others have said already, the Magisterium of the Church has never had a problem with pronouncing the Jєωιѕн religion and its adherents 'perfidious' and 'infidel'.

Just as Jacob robbed his brother of his birthright and his blessing by pretending to be something and someone he was not, so, too, have the Jews played on people's sympathies by still trying to appear to be the 'people of God' when they have clearly rejected Christ, the Messiah of the Jew and Savior of the world.

Ditto for the Conciliar heretics; they are playing church when it behooves them, like when the anti-pope appears in the square for that 'prayer service' before the Assisi debacle. He'll need to pretend to be Catholic then. Once he gets around his Lutheran and Jew infidel friends, he dispenses with the heterodoxy and makes with the ecuмenism. It's sickening, but it is the blueprint that was drawn up by his Christ-denying Jew compatriots a long time ago.

Mary, help of Christians, pray for us.

Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.

Heresies of Vatican II
« Reply #101 on: October 19, 2011, 08:43:52 PM »
How does anyone explain this quote from the Council of Trent?

 If anyone says that the Mass should be celebrated in the vernacular only, let him be Anathema . “ - Council of Trent (Session XXII, Canon 9)

And Pope Pius VI condemned the notion that the mass should said “in the vernacular” as “rash, offensive to pious ears, insulting to the Church, and favorable to the charges of heretics against it”

So there you have it. Vatican II and the Bogus Ordo: refuted.


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« Reply #102 on: October 20, 2011, 12:12:30 AM »
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How does anyone explain this quote from the Council of Trent?

 If anyone says that the Mass should be celebrated in the vernacular only, let him be Anathema . “ - Council of Trent (Session XXII, Canon 9)

And Pope Pius VI condemned the notion that the mass should said “in the vernacular” as “rash, offensive to pious ears, insulting to the Church, and favorable to the charges of heretics against it”

So there you have it. Vatican II and the Bogus Ordo: refuted.


Not exactly. I am no defender of the Novus Ordo by any means. I am a sedevacantist. But the Novus Ordo does not require their priests to say mass in only the vernacular. They can say the New Mess in Latin too. It's a real option.

I agree in general with what you're getting at: Bogus Ordo for sure, but your comparison does not exactly match the reality. Just sayin'.

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« Reply #103 on: October 20, 2011, 09:17:21 AM »
It does refute the Bogus Ordo because Pius VI said the Mass can never be offered in the vernacular. The Council of Trent's statement doesn't necessarily refute the NO but it does refute Vatican II for moving away from Latin.

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« Reply #104 on: October 20, 2011, 01:24:19 PM »
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The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.


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We must get to know the outlook of our separated brethren. To achieve this purpose, study is of necessity required, and this must be pursued with a sense of realism and good will. Catholics, who already have a proper grounding, need to acquire a more adequate understanding of the respective doctrines of our separated brethren, their history, their spiritual and liturgical life, their religious psychology and general background. Most valuable for this purpose are meetings of the two sides-especially for discussion of theological problems-where each can treat with the other on an equal footing-provided that those who take part in them are truly competent and have the approval of the bishops. From such dialogue will emerge still more clearly what the situation of the Catholic Church really is. In this way too the outlook of our separated brethren will be better understood, and our own belief more aptly explained.


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Before the whole world let all Christians confess their faith in the triune God, one and three in the incarnate Son of God, our Redeemer and Lord. United in their efforts, and with mutual respect, let them bear witness to our common hope which does not play us false. In these days when cooperation in social matters is so widespread, all men without exception are called to work together, with much greater reason all those who believe in God, but most of all, all Christians in that they bear the name of Christ. Cooperation among Christians vividly expresses the relationship which in fact already unites them, and it sets in clearer relief the features of Christ the Servant. This cooperation, which has already begun in many countries, should be developed more and more, particularly in regions where a social and technical evolution is taking place be it in a just evaluation of the dignity of the human person, the establishment of the blessings of peace, the application of Gospel principles to social life, the advancement of the arts and sciences in a truly Christian spirit, or also in the use of various remedies to relieve the afflictions of our times such as famine and natural disasters, illiteracy and poverty, housing shortage and the unequal distribution of wealth. All believers in Christ can, through this cooperation, be led to acquire a better knowledge and appreciation of one another, and so pave the way to Christian unity.



 I find these statements to be erroneous and harmful to the Faith in Jesus Christ. All of these statements can be found in the New Catechism of the Catholic Church. A Catechism is used to teach new Catholics the Faith. Why on Earth would you put stuff about other religions in a book that is meant to teach new Catholics. It will not only cause confusion, but may cause them to abandon the Catholic Faith altogether to find out why some other religion holds the second person of the Trinity as just a "prophet", but yet the Church esteems them. Our Lord say, "seek ye first the Kingdom of God, and all else will be given unto thee". The fact that everyday people fall away from their V2 Faith is evidence of the corruption in this book, which takes it statements directly from the V2 council. The only thing this book and those statements are good for is to start a fire.

 I would never hold in esteem those who see the second person in God as a meer prophet or deny him altogether, those who murder in the name of their erroneous God, those who show contempt for Family, contempt for the Saints, contempt for the Holy Ghost. No these are not people of God, these are the enemy of God that must be prayed for. Their hearts are so hardened that only a miracle from God can save them. Thank God he performs these miracles everyday, but the sheer amount of contempt for God, make new haters everyday. I suspect if they could the Vatican would try to justify anybody including followers of Satan, Aethiests, and probably even animals. I feel in the future these statements are going to be condemned and most people who were involved in writing them. I do not hope they went to Hell, but God's justice is certainly not in my control.