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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Go forth and LARP!
« Reply #70 on: November 25, 2025, 09:12:13 AM »
The sspx does not have a hierarchy, except a legal one.  :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

I wouldn't even call it that.  At best, perhaps a "moral" hierarchy, where priests will make these private vows of obedience.

What's most disturbing about SSPX is that despite decades of trumpeting "faith is greater than obedience", saying it's OK to disobey the pope when your consciences says you should ... they will gaslight priests who disobey their SSPX superiors for ... disobedience.  So, let me get this straight.  It's perfectly OK for you to disobey the man you hold to be the Vicar of Christ, but if some priest in the US disobeys Father Fullerton because of HIS conscience, that's horrible, eeeevil, wicked, proud ...

Given that obedience was the tactic used originally by the infiltrators, and the absurd logical contradiction here ... this strongly suggests deep infiltration of SSPX by the same bad actors.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Go forth and LARP!
« Reply #71 on: November 25, 2025, 09:20:52 AM »
Here in Ireland, Bp. Ballini was the only resistance priest here for years. People had no choice but to attend his Masses if they supported the resistance. They felt trapped and controlled. If they dared query something they felt was wrong, they were dressed down like children and told they could leave - knowing they had nowhere to go.

So, the more I keep hearing about +Ballini, the more underwhelmed I am ... and this general attitude among Trad clergy is noxious, and it's what turns Trad enclaves into little cults ... so say nothing of the fact that it's a usurpation of authority that they do not have.

Trad clergy need to get this straight:  YOU HAVE NO AUTHORITY.  None, zilch, nada.  You CANNOT BIND CONSCIENCES.  Your only role is an emergency dispenser of Sacraments to the faithful who request it, as per Canon Law, which permits irregular clergy to provide the Sacraments to the faithful who have a right to receive them, and in fact mandates it.  When you get up there at the pulpit, you are merely OPINING, just as if any one of us would get up there, and your 6-year seminary "degree" does not make you an expert in anything, much less a theologian.  You have "authority" only to the extent that you speak the truth which the Church has already taught.  You have absolutely no right to use the Sacraments as weapons, withholding them if someone does not conform to your "position" (which position means absolutely nothing ... outside of those principles already taught by the Church).  Nor do your "arguments" where you claim your position is the only one consistent with Catholic teaching mean anything, since ... your arguments can be wrong, and the dogmatists on both sides are wrong, and their blunders are obvious.  Unfortunately, not a few young men enter the seminary because it makes them feel important, where they enjoy the laity bowing their heads in deference and call them Father, when a great percentage of them would struggle to make shift manager at McDonald's after having worked there for 10 years.


Re: Go forth and LARP!
« Reply #72 on: November 25, 2025, 07:07:45 PM »
So, the more I keep hearing about +Ballini, the more underwhelmed I am ... and this general attitude among Trad clergy is noxious, and it's what turns Trad enclaves into little cults ... so say nothing of the fact that it's a usurpation of authority that they do not have.

Trad clergy need to get this straight:  YOU HAVE NO AUTHORITY.  None, zilch, nada.  You CANNOT BIND CONSCIENCES.  Your only role is an emergency dispenser of Sacraments to the faithful who request it, as per Canon Law, which permits irregular clergy to provide the Sacraments to the faithful who have a right to receive them, and in fact mandates it.  When you get up there at the pulpit, you are merely OPINING, just as if any one of us would get up there, and your 6-year seminary "degree" does not make you an expert in anything, much less a theologian.  You have "authority" only to the extent that you speak the truth which the Church has already taught.  You have absolutely no right to use the Sacraments as weapons, withholding them if someone does not conform to your "position" (which position means absolutely nothing ... outside of those principles already taught by the Church).  Nor do your "arguments" where you claim your position is the only one consistent with Catholic teaching mean anything, since ... your arguments can be wrong, and the dogmatists on both sides are wrong, and their blunders are obvious.  Unfortunately, not a few young men enter the seminary because it makes them feel important, where they enjoy the laity bowing their heads in deference and call them Father, when a great percentage of them would struggle to make shift manager at McDonald's after having worked there for 10 years.
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Offline St Giles

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Re: Go forth and LARP!
« Reply #73 on: November 25, 2025, 07:34:23 PM »
I wouldn't even call it that.  At best, perhaps a "moral" hierarchy, where priests will make these private vows of obedience.

What's most disturbing about SSPX is that despite decades of trumpeting "faith is greater than obedience", saying it's OK to disobey the pope when your consciences says you should ... they will gaslight priests who disobey their SSPX superiors for ... disobedience.  So, let me get this straight.  It's perfectly OK for you to disobey the man you hold to be the Vicar of Christ, but if some priest in the US disobeys Father Fullerton because of HIS conscience, that's horrible, eeeevil, wicked, proud ...

Given that obedience was the tactic used originally by the infiltrators, and the absurd logical contradiction here ... this strongly suggests deep infiltration of SSPX by the same bad actors.
What would you have them do? How should they respond? What's the point of authority if it is disregarded? The one giving the orders will naturally think they ought to be obeyed, and won't realize they are in the wrong if they are.

Re: Go forth and LARP!
« Reply #74 on: November 26, 2025, 03:40:12 AM »
I have a question for Boru.
How many of Ballini's Masses has she gone to since he became resistance?
Simple question, simple answer.