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Author Topic: Fr. Paul A. Norton Open Letter  (Read 2676 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Fr. Paul A. Norton Open Letter
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2020, 02:20:21 PM »
I'm curious what the issue is with Costa?
Anyway, searches indicate Macek is Thuc-line through the SVM.
https://web.archive.org/web/20090213132922/http://svmpriests.us/Clerics.htm

Reports are that he's been ordained/consecrated a number of times, and there's some Costa links.  Costa is a notoriously unreliable line that's been out there so long that lots of frauds have appeared (people that just claim they were ordained/consecrated).

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Fr. Paul A. Norton Open Letter
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2020, 02:32:50 PM »
Reports vary.  One has Macek having been a Novus Ordo priest and then conditionally ordained and then consecrated by Bishop Taylor.  Another report has him consecrated by a Bishop Adamson.  Taylor then is reported to have been consecrated by a highly dubious "Bishop" Garrison.

Even if it was Adamson, it's a very far-removed +Thuc line, to the point that it could be dubious.

Thuc->Datessen->Olivarez->Lopez-Gaston->Urbina->Adamson->Macek

With that many hops, the doubt grows exponentially.  Olivarez is the one that has some Costa lineage.

Adamson, although a bishop of the Thuc line, was ordained a priest by an Autocephalous Orthodox bishop ... also dubious (the same type of group that Moran comes from).

I would stay far away.


Re: Fr. Paul A. Norton Open Letter
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2020, 10:33:54 AM »
Reports vary.  One has Macek having been a Novus Ordo priest and then conditionally ordained and then consecrated by Bishop Taylor.  Another report has him consecrated by a Bishop Adamson. 
The SVM link says these. Adamson also conditionally consecrated Taylor the same time he conditionally consecrated Macek, and that was after Taylor consecrated Macek.
Either these people had positive doubts about Taylor's orders, or they didn't have the best training in sacramental theology. 

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Fr. Paul A. Norton Open Letter
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2020, 10:43:21 AM »
The SVM link says these. Adamson also conditionally consecrated Taylor the same time he conditionally consecrated Macek, and that was after Taylor consecrated Macek.
Either these people had positive doubts about Taylor's orders, or they didn't have the best training in sacramental theology.

Some of these guys are serial conditional ordinands, getting conditionally ordained 3 or 4 times.  Where it really gets foggy is when someone is conditionally consecrated but then was not conditionally ordained, even though he had been ordained by the same guy.

Re: Fr. Paul A. Norton Open Letter
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2020, 12:04:58 PM »
In short, if ANY Traditional Catholic laymen aren't concerned with

A) the TRADITIONAL TRAINING/knowledge of their priest
and/or
B) the VALIDITY of their priest
and even
C) the spiritual/psychological/emotional HEALTH of their priest

then why not just go back to the Novus Ordo?
When I was in the convent, I met a lot of nuns who had been in other orders, but who were asked to leave simply because "they were too rigid" and "were holier than the Pope."

This so-called "rigidity" was simply an excuse to exclude these religious simply because they were striving to be saints, and yes, these nuns were not imitating the recent popes precisely because of their heretical statements.

I knew many nuns and priests who believed that they had a religious vocation, but who could not find any group in the Novus Ordo who would accept them. Some of these devout religious tried to form new religious orders with other religious who had been dismissed, while others lived with their parents who were aged and cared for them all the while wearing the religious habit and following the rules and constitutions to the best of their ability. 

Also some of these nuns left their convents, apparently with the blessing of their superiors to form a more rigid community where the nuns lived in solitude, in huts, like hermits, but who came together for prayers and meals only.

I allowed several of these religious sisters to live with me until they could find suitable housing.

Pray for these religious priests, brothers, and nuns. They are living heroic saintly lives.

If Father Perez accepted Father Norton, then I believe that he was thoroughly investigated and is a valid priest.