Author Topic: Father Kramer Reject Francis (Read 5753 times)

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #20 on:** December 05, 2013, 09:22:14 AM »

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I believe the main point here is that Father is SV. He believes the chair is vacant regardless of what he thinks of the previous posers. It is an honest admission that he knows will have consequences. I hope this helps unify all of people of good will in regards to understanding the root cause of the problems within in the structures that were formerly inhabited by Catholics is that the head of that formerly Catholic institution is not the Pope. Once this is realized by all the good-willed Catholics we can, in addition to realizing why all this bad stuff has gone on in the "Church" move past this time-consuming debate and discuss the next step. Once realizing this fact what, if anything, would be God's will for us to do about it apart from being the best Catholics we can be.

I mean does being the best Catholic we can be include trying to get a Pope, educating others on SV, uniting all traditional clerics as some unified body who may be able to elect one of their own? What if any or all the above should be avoided and why? Should we all merely sanctify ourselves to the best of our ability (I know that it is God the ultimately sanctifies us) and leave the rest to God? Is this true both of the lay-people and clergy?

What if all the traditional Bishops including the SSPX got together and elected someone. Would you accept or reject such a man? Why or why not? Would you wait to see what he did first? Would it depend on who it was?

soulguard · « **Reply #21 on:** December 05, 2013, 09:29:25 AM »

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I believe the main point here is that Father is SV. He believes the chair is vacant regardless of what he thinks of the previous posers. It is an honest admission that he knows will have consequences. I hope this helps unify all of people of good will in regards to understanding the root cause of the problems within in the structures that were formerly inhabited by Catholics is that the head of that formerly Catholic institution is not the Pope. Once this is realized by all the good-willed Catholics we can, in addition to realizing why all this bad stuff has gone on in the "Church" move past this time-consuming debate and discuss the next step. Once realizing this fact what, if anything, would be God's will for us to do about it apart from being the best Catholics we can be.

I mean does being the best Catholic we can be include trying to get a Pope, educating others on SV, uniting all traditional clerics as some unified body who may be able to elect one of their own? What if any or all the above should be avoided and why? Should we all merely sanctify ourselves to the best of our ability (I know that it is God the ultimately sanctifies us) and leave the rest to God? Is this true both of the lay-people and clergy?

What if all the traditional Bishops including the SSPX got together and elected someone. Would you accept or reject such a man? Why or why not? Would you wait to see what he did first? Would it depend on who it was?

I have the exact same idea LoT!
It is the solution to this crisis. To declare that those who hold not the doctrine of the faith to be not of the church and to have no right to rule over us to the effect of our disaster.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #22 on:** December 05, 2013, 01:50:10 PM »

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I believe the main point here is that Father is SV. He believes the chair is vacant regardless of what he thinks of the previous posers. It is an honest admission that he knows will have consequences. I hope this helps unify all of people of good will in regards to understanding the root cause of the problems within in the structures that were formerly inhabited by Catholics is that the head of that formerly Catholic institution is not the Pope. Once this is realized by all the good-willed Catholics we can, in addition to realizing why all this bad stuff has gone on in the "Church" move past this time-consuming debate and discuss the next step. Once realizing this fact what, if anything, would be God's will for us to do about it apart from being the best Catholics we can be.

I mean does being the best Catholic we can be include trying to get a Pope, educating others on SV, uniting all traditional clerics as some unified body who may be able to elect one of their own? What if any or all the above should be avoided and why? Should we all merely sanctify ourselves to the best of our ability (I know that it is God the ultimately sanctifies us) and leave the rest to God? Is this true both of the lay-people and clergy?

What if all the traditional Bishops including the SSPX got together and elected someone. Would you accept or reject such a man? Why or why not? Would you wait to see what he did first? Would it depend on who it was?

I have the exact same idea LoT!
It is the solution to this crisis. To declare that those who hold not the doctrine of the faith to be not of the church and to have no right to rule over us to the effect of our disaster.

I truly believe making people aware of the theology behind the SV founding is a good Catholic thing to do so long as it is done in a good Catholic way. That is prudently, charitably but also boldly without watering it down or compromising it to make it more palatable. And this must be done by those familiar with the theology.

Divine Law is Divine Law. No offense intended.

2Vermont · « **Reply #23 on:** December 05, 2013, 03:44:24 PM »

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Anyway, probably after Pope Benedict's ailing health fails him for the last time and he passes into eternity, whenever that is, Fr. Kramer will come around.

I'd like to think that Fr. Kramer is starting to come around now, but you're probably right. When Benedict dies, he'll probably move on from his so-called "SV position". I hope I'm wrong, but this seems more about the dreaded loss of Benedict XVI than concerns about Francis.

Centroamerica · « **Reply #24 on:** December 05, 2013, 03:47:13 PM »

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Isn't this basically the same thing that the other thread posted? Or am I missing something?

I'm really not sure. I know something was posting something regarding this topic and the Dimond brothers but I do not know who posted first regarding Novus Ordo Watch which I believe has to be one of the better sites out there. What I particularly like about that site is that the writers are thorough and present undeniable facts while backing it up with authoritative and infallible docuмents that back up their claims. They have an amazing gift of pointing out the inconsistency and ironies of the "R & R" position and the direct contradiction with doctrine by the false V2 "Popes".

What a bunch of hooplah and confusion. People really take the Dimond brothers seriously here. Really!!! And no one seems to know the actual position taken by Fr. Kramer. Just a bunch of people stating things without even caring to see what Fr. Kramer himself says. :smash-pc:

What are you talking about? My information is from Novus Ordo Watch not the Dimonds. Do people actually read the posts or jump in after guessing what was posted?

Father Kramer rejects the papacy of Frances but still accepts the other conciliar "Popes" as being valid. This has been mad clear.

Clearly if you are quoting someone else why would I be referring to you. Yes I read the posts. Fr. Kramer says the resignation of Benedict was not valid. His official position is una cuм papa nostro Benedicto. Just so you know.

It looked like you were quoting me in the above quote. It starts with "Lover of Truth".

Oh, I'm having problems with quoting people today. I can't seem to quote only a small piece and it come out right. I have to quote 10 thousand quotes to quote one line.

WTH are you talking about? I'm sorry, there were only two posters in this thread when you first posted (myself and LOT). Exactly what did you mean to quote if you "misquoted"?

Looks like someone is playing with the quotes on this link. What's the bug deal? Why are you quoting me? :roll-laugh1: